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Neither will Ruger, according to media report<span class=\"rte rte-comment\">er<\/span>s. A Heckler &amp; Koch official at AUSA declined to stay where his company stood.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The Army is considering 9mm, but also .40- and .45-caliber guns.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">SIG Sauer plans to enter a gun from its P320 line, which comes in 9mm, .40 caliber and .45 caliber. The Army is allowing each company to make two submissions, so long as each is a different caliber.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>SIG Sauer&#8217;s <span class=\"rte rte-comment\">G <\/span>government sales manager, Robby Johnson, said the P320 has &#8220;peaked at the right time&#8221; in development and expressed confidence in its candidacy, as it has won recent federal law enforcement contracts (he declined to specify). He cited top-tier safety-features, modularity (including interchangeable grips rather than backstraps or side panels) and overall quality. 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CZ&#8217;s John Simmons, a retired Army officer, said that made the slide lighter and reduced recoil, and that the gun offered highly-competitive fit-and-finish, durability, accuracy and magazine capacity at a good price point.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">But the gun also was made to have either a decocker or a safety; the Army requirements mandate both, which Simmons suggested to be overkill.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">&#8220;It was a business decision at the end of the day [not to submit],&#8221; he said. &#8220;It would make a great gun less great.&#8221;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">In addition, he said having someone come in to write the proposal and ensure compliance with the 351-page solicitation would cost the smaller company $1.5 million \u2013 again all with no guarantee of getting anything in return.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Even Ruger, a much larger company, came to the same conclusion. 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