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They checked sports scores. They watched porn.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The book has sparked a minor dust-up after FireEye, which is now the owner of Mandiant, denied the account. They said in a June 25 <a href=\"https:\/\/www.fireeye.com\/blog\/executive-perspective\/2018\/06\/doing-our-part-without-hacking-back.html\">statement<\/a> it \u201cdid not employ \u2018hack back\u2019 techniques and does not endorse the practice of \u2019hacking back.\u2019\u201d They said Sanger saw videos of \u201cconsensual security monitoring.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Sanger told Fifth Domain in an email that Mandiant\u2019s description \u201cwasn\u2019t my understanding at the time,\u201d but said it was a reasonable explanation for how the company identified the individuals. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">But the episode has added to a long-running debate regarding whether a company should be able to retaliate in cyberspace. In a field that is at times notably uniform in thought, the \u201chack back\u201d question evokes notable disagreement. In general, technical experts interviewed by Fifth Domain argued that attributing an attack to a perpetrator was fraught with risk, while policy experts argued that the status quo was not working.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u201cGo to that server and take that god damn stuff back,\u201d said Stewart Baker, the former general counsel at the National Security Agency and assistant secretary at Department of Homeland Security. He said that a \u201cfree fire zone\u201d for companies is not viable, but argued firms should have the right to investigate an attack. When asked if he was worried about not properly attributing a digital infiltration, Baker was resolute: \u201cGive me a break. These guys just took data from your system \u2026 how hard is attribution?\u201d <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Others cautioned that attribution was not straightforward, arguing the identity of a hacker can be hidden behind a complex maze of users.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u201cIt\u2019s almost like they discuss it as a simple thing, that the cybersecurity community can do attribution easily and rapidly,\u201d said John Harbaugh, chief operating officer at root9B, a cybersecurity firm. Harbaugh said that few commercial firms have the resources, the data and the people to properly retaliate to a digital infiltration.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u201cHow do you know that it is the right target and you are not being tricked?\u201d Harbaugh, who is a former intelligence official, asked.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The 1986 Computer Fraud and Abuse Act bans unauthorized access to another computer. 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