{"id":18553,"date":"2019-11-14T00:36:29","date_gmt":"2019-11-14T00:36:29","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/one.sightlinemg.com\/defensenews\/uncategorized\/2019\/11\/14\/the-pentagons-plan-to-save-the-f-35s-automated-logistics-system-is-hitting-roadblocks-over-proprietary-data-rights\/"},"modified":"2026-08-07T21:46:02","modified_gmt":"2026-08-07T21:46:02","slug":"the-pentagons-plan-to-save-the-f-35s-automated-logistics-system-is-hitting-roadblocks-over-proprietary-data-rights","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/one.sightlinemg.com\/defensenews\/air\/2019\/11\/14\/the-pentagons-plan-to-save-the-f-35s-automated-logistics-system-is-hitting-roadblocks-over-proprietary-data-rights\/","title":{"rendered":"The Pentagon plan to save the F-35\u2019s logistics system hinges on whether Lockheed will relinquish data control"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">WASHINGTON \u2013 The Pentagon and Lockheed Martin are at odds over how much data the military can have access to for its own jet, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.defensenews.com\/smr\/hidden-troubles-f35\/2019\/06\/12\/when-us-navy-and-marine-f-35-pilots-most-need-performance-the-aircraft-becomes-erratic\/\" target=_blank>the F-35<\/a>, and that\u2019s creating renewed friction in the fight to fix longstanding issues with the automated logistics system vital to keeping it flying.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The Pentagon and Lockheed say a relaunched version of the<a href=\"https:\/\/www.defensenews.com\/air\/2019\/02\/01\/bad-data-in-f-35-logistics-system-resulting-in-lost-missions\/\" target=\"_blank\"> Autonomic Logistics Information System, or ALIS,<\/a> should be ready to start sending to squadrons by September 2020. Both the military\u2019s top acquisition official and the F-35 program manager expressed frustration to lawmakers at a House Armed Services subcommittee hearing Tuesday with how much control Lockheed asserts over crucial data for the system.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">ALIS is an off-board system that runs the maintenance and logistics system for the F-35.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u201cOne of the key elements of coming up with a new ALIS architecture, data standards, and all the other parts that would make a very good system is understanding the data set as it exists today \u2014 what all the algorithms are \u2014 and we are still in the process of going through that with Lockheed Martin,\u201d said Ellen Lord, the under secretary of defense for acquisition and sustainment. \u201cBut understanding where all the intellectual property is and making sure the government has access to what it has paid for is a key part of rearchitecting ALIS.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\t<aside class=\"smg-interstitial-link wp-block-smg-interstitial-link\">\n\t\t<a href=\"https:\/\/one.sightlinemg.com\/defensenews\/air\/2019\/02\/27\/how-the-us-air-forces-kessel-run-team-plans-to-solve-one-of-the-f-35-programs-biggest-headaches\/\" class=\"smg-interstitial-link__inner\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"smg-interstitial-link__media\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"300\" height=\"169\" src=\"https:\/\/one.sightlinemg.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/08\/5099416.jpg.jpg?w=300\" class=\"smg-interstitial-link__image wp-post-image\" alt=\"\" \/>\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"smg-interstitial-link__content\">\n\t\t\t\t<span class=\"smg-interstitial-link__kicker\">Related<\/span>\n\t\t\t\t<h3 class=\"smg-interstitial-link__title\">How the US Air Force\u2019s Kessel Run team plans to solve one of the F-35 program\u2019s biggest headaches<\/h3>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p class=\"smg-interstitial-link__excerpt\">The F-35&#039;s 1990s-era logistics backbone is getting a facelift.<\/p>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/a>\n\t<\/aside>\n\t\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The fight over intellectual property stems from the original concept for the program, which gave Lockheed Martin sweeping control over virtually every major aspect of the F-35, from design and fabrication to maintenance, parts and logistics. But in recent years, dissatisfied by rising costs and delays, the Pentagon has sought to wrest more control back from Lockheed. Intellectual property rights and disputes over proprietary data, however, have often tripped up such efforts.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><b>Frustrations <\/b><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Some of Lockheed\u2019s intellectual property assertions have bordered on ridiculous, according to F-35 Program Executive Officer Lt. Gen. Eric Fick, but getting a handle on what data the military needs to do its job is crucial, he said.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u201cWe still have concerns, there still are roadblocks as we go to execute,\u201d Fick said. &#8220;Everything from something as simple as U.S. government documents that get uploaded into a system and come back with Lockheed Martin proprietary markings on it. That is a frustrating occurrence, but not one that prevents us from doing work.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u201cWhat we\u2019re working to do is to figure out where are the places at which intellectual property assertions actually prevent us from doing the kind of work that we intend to do. \u2026 We\u2019re getting to a place where we don\u2019t need all the data, but the data that we need \u2014 it\u2019s important that we pursue it.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Lord told lawmakers that the key to getting a successful system was breaking Lockheed\u2019s grip on the logistics data infrastructure and housing more of it in a government cloud.<\/p>\n\n\n\t<aside class=\"smg-interstitial-link wp-block-smg-interstitial-link\">\n\t\t<a href=\"https:\/\/one.sightlinemg.com\/defensenews\/air\/2019\/10\/18\/the-f-35-may-hit-full-rate-production-more-than-a-year-late\/\" class=\"smg-interstitial-link__inner\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"smg-interstitial-link__media\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"300\" height=\"169\" src=\"https:\/\/one.sightlinemg.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/08\/5693967.jpg.jpg?w=300\" class=\"smg-interstitial-link__image wp-post-image\" alt=\"\" \/>\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"smg-interstitial-link__content\">\n\t\t\t\t<span class=\"smg-interstitial-link__kicker\">Related<\/span>\n\t\t\t\t<h3 class=\"smg-interstitial-link__title\">The F-35 jet might hit full-rate production more than a year late<\/h3>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p class=\"smg-interstitial-link__excerpt\">A Milestone C decision, originally scheduled to occur by the end of 2019, now may take place as late as January 2021.<\/p>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/a>\n\t<\/aside>\n\t\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u201cOne of the challenges we have is that fact that a lot of the ALIS data and functionality works back through Lockheed Martin computers,\u201d Lord said. \u2018So, what we need to have in a newly rearchitected ALIS to is have that in a government cloud and accessible. So, this deconflicting of Lockheed data and government data will become much more clear.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The Pentagon would like to leverage more of its internal software development capabilities to get after a newly reconstructed ALIS system, specifically inside the Air Force, Lord said, but resolving the intellectual property disputes is the key.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Lockheed, for its part, says it is investing significant company resources in developing solutions to both improve the current ALIS system, known as ALIS classic, but also in the redesigned \u201cALIS Next.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u201cWe are spending about $50 million of internal funds to improve classic ALIS,&#8221; said Gregory Ulmer, Lockheed\u2019s general manager of the F-35 program. \u201cWe\u2019re also implementing additional company funds in the order of $120 [million] to support new architecture investments.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Fick, who runs the Joint Program Office, told lawmakers that the latest software release for ALIS is expected this month. He predicted \u201csignificant progress\u201d by September 2020 toward four different efforts to improve ALIS, including software upgrades, rearchitecting the system itself and Lockheed\u2019s internal research and development work.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Though the ALIS software release in the fall of 2018 met the required-capabilities threshold for its design and development phase, Fick acknowledged the system needs \u201csignificant additional improvements\u201d and noted that combat coded squadrons require 12 system administrators to maintain deployed operations and that training squadrons require eight.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"2202\" height=\"1470\" src=\"\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/08\/5399699.jpg.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-16316\" srcset=\"https:\/\/one.sightlinemg.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/08\/5399699.jpg.jpg 2202w, https:\/\/one.sightlinemg.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/08\/5399699.jpg.jpg?resize=300,200 300w, https:\/\/one.sightlinemg.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/08\/5399699.jpg.jpg?resize=768,513 768w, https:\/\/one.sightlinemg.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/08\/5399699.jpg.jpg?resize=1024,684 1024w, https:\/\/one.sightlinemg.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/08\/5399699.jpg.jpg?resize=1536,1025 1536w, https:\/\/one.sightlinemg.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/08\/5399699.jpg.jpg?resize=2048,1367 2048w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 2202px) 100vw, 2202px\" \/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Capt. Andrew \u201cDojo\u201d Olson, F-35A Lightning II Demonstration Team pilot, performs over Miami Beach, Fla., May 25, 2019. (Staff Sgt. Jensen Stidham\/Air Force)<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><b>\u2018Unacceptable risk\u2019<\/b><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Lawmakers at the hearing expressed their own frustrations with the program, saying the program was wasting too much taxpayer money and not delivering results.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u201cAs we look ahead to the next few decades of F-35 service, failing to create an effective and cost-efficient sustainment system would diminish readiness, squander taxpayer resources, and discourage the services and our partners from continuing to purchase the F-35,\u201d said Readiness Subcommittee Chairman John Garamendi, D-Calif. \u201cThis would create unacceptable risk for the program and would be an abdication of the trust and investment of the public and our allies.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Underscoring lawmaker frustration with the complexity of problems with the expensive program, Rep. Donald Norcross, D-New Jersey, at one point asked Lord how metrics like cost-per-flight-hour can be standardized between the F-35 and other platforms. \u201cApples to apples, the metrics that we\u2019re using seem to move,\u201d he said.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The Pentagon hired the Boston Consulting Group to examine all the costs per flight hour, towards its goal of spending $25,000 per flight hour by 2025. The firm found $3,000 per flight hour \u201cthat we couldn\u2019t clearly trace back to Lockheed Martin as to the origin of those costs,\u201d Lord said. \u201cWe are working closely with Lockheed Martin to understand it, and it\u2019s the fundamental basis of some confusion we have.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n<aside class=\"smg-interstitial-link smg-interstitial-link--fallback wp-block-smg-interstitial-link\"><a href=\"\/\/In%20newly%20inked%20deal,%20F-35%20price%20falls%20to%20$78%20million%20a%20copy\" class=\"smg-interstitial-link__fallback-link\">https:\/\/www.defensenews.com\/air\/2019\/10\/29\/in-newly-inked-deal-f-35-prices-fall-to-78-million-a-copy\/<\/a><\/aside>\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Robert Behler, the Pentagon\u2019s director of operational test and evaluation, told lawmakers that copies of the F-35, despite improvements in availability and mission capable rates, are \u201cbreaking more often than planned and taking longer to fix.&#8221; The operational suitability of the F-35 fleet remains at a level below service expectations. But after several years of remaining relatively stable, several key suitability metrics are showing signs of slow improvement in 2019, he said.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The U.S. F-35 fleet missed the monthly availability target of 65 percent, missed an 80 percent mission-capable target and missed reliability and maintainability metrics. Behler linked recent improvements in availability and mission capable rates to a greater availability of spare parts \u2015 through the programs efforts to improve maintenance process and depot support.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Fick noted that the mission capable rate of the operational fleet jumped from 54.7 percent in October, 2018, to 72.5 percent in September of 2019.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Parts shortages was the chief contributor to low mission capable rates, Government Accountability Office\u2019s Director of Defense Capabilities and Management Diana Maurer, told lawmakers. 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