{"id":18760,"date":"2018-01-04T14:55:38","date_gmt":"2018-01-04T14:55:38","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/one.sightlinemg.com\/defensenews\/uncategorized\/2018\/01\/04\/doubts-linger-as-us-navy-preps-to-order-10-more-flight-iii-destroyers\/"},"modified":"2026-08-07T21:47:35","modified_gmt":"2026-08-07T21:47:35","slug":"doubts-linger-as-us-navy-preps-to-order-10-more-flight-iii-destroyers","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/one.sightlinemg.com\/defensenews\/digital-show-dailies\/surface-navy-association\/2018\/01\/04\/doubts-linger-as-us-navy-preps-to-order-10-more-flight-iii-destroyers\/","title":{"rendered":"Doubts linger as US Navy preps to order 10 more Flight III destroyers"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">WASHINGTON \u2014 The U.S. Navy is poised to order 10 more destroyers this year, all of which will be the new Flight III variant that integrates Raytheon\u2019s <a href=\"https:\/\/www.raytheon.com\/capabilities\/products\/amdr\/\" title=\"\" class=\"\">new AN\/SPY-6 air and missile defense radar<\/a>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Congress is on the cusp of greenlighting a 10-ship buy that the Navy says saves 10 percent overall, essentially giving the service a free ship over the life of the contract. But 2017 saw a vigorous debate between the shipbuilders (especially from Maine-based Bath Iron Works), some members of Congress and the Navy over questions concerning the Navy\u2019s design progress and how much risk was acceptable for a multiyear contract for this major design overhaul.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Both Huntington Ingalls Industries and Bath Iron Works have signed on to build Flight III DDGs \u2014 DDG 125 will be the first one, built at Ingalls in Mississippi, followed by DDG 126 at Bath Iron Works \u2014 but questions linger about whether entering into a multiyear contract on what is almost a new class of ship invites delays and cost overruns.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><span class=\"js-paste-start-1515094695058\"><b>Looking for more on the U.S. Navy\u2019s surface fleet? <a href=\"https:\/\/www.defensenews.com\/digital-show-dailies\/surface-navy-association\/\" title=\"\" class=\"selected-link\">Get the latest here.<\/a><\/b><span class=\"js-paste-end-1515094695058\"><br><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The ship is being built for the air and missile defense radar, and fitting the system in the design required integrating a new electrical power system and about a 45 percent redesign of the class.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1503\" height=\"848\" src=\"\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/08\/flight-III-.png.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-36264\" srcset=\"https:\/\/one.sightlinemg.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/08\/flight-III-.png.png 1503w, https:\/\/one.sightlinemg.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/08\/flight-III-.png.png?resize=300,169 300w, https:\/\/one.sightlinemg.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/08\/flight-III-.png.png?resize=768,433 768w, https:\/\/one.sightlinemg.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/08\/flight-III-.png.png?resize=1024,578 1024w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1503px) 100vw, 1503px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The Navy thinks it has done everything within its power to reduce the amount of uncertainty, according to Capt. Casey Moton, the DDG 51 program manager, most importantly through detailed 3-D modeling of the ship.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u201cWhen I say 3-D modeling, I\u2019m talking about the pipe hangers, or the brackets on the power panels and the foundations for the equipment \u2014 I mean it is to the detail that the shipbuilder needed to build,\u201d Moton said. \u201cSo we believe that level of maturity is more than sufficient for the builder and the shipyard to do a fixed-price incentive contract. We also think it\u2019s more than sufficient detail to move to a multiyear.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The Navy is also doing a bunch of testing \u2014 the AN\/SPY-6 will soon be shipped to the Aegis testing facility in Moorestown, New Jersey, to begin integration with the new Baseline 10 software, Moton said. The back end hardware is already being tested with Baseline 9, he added.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The power and cooling systems are being tested in Hawaii with the AN\/SPY-6, and both systems are working well. The major new components of the electrical system, which uses some components from DDG 1000, are being shipped to the Naval Surface Warfare Center in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, for testing. (Those are the Leonardo DRS power conditioning modules, which convert AC power to DC, and the 4,160-volt gas turbine generators.)<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The 3-D modeling is also being applied to the electrical system, Moton said.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u201cWe did a very detailed 3-D model of the electric plant,\u201d Moton said. \u201cSo we had already tested that model and we\u2019d already done extensive testing of normal operations, casualty mode if, say, a system goes down.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u201cWe\u2019ve even done battle damage, taking a missile hit and figuring out [how] to restore the plant \u2014 we\u2019re built to fight. We\u2019ve already started making adjustments to the control software based on that testing, and that\u2019s even before the first piece of equipment arrives in Philadelphia.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">As it stands today, Ingalls\u2019 Flight III (DDG 125) will be the first to deliver in 2023, followed by Bath\u2019s DDG 126 in 2024. Both of those ships were changes to already contracted ships. Bath will be later, Moton said, because the addition of DDG 127 \u2014 slated to be a Flight IIA \u2014 pushed its timeline back.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><b>Lingering doubts<\/b><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Analysts agree the Navy has taken measures to reduce the risk of cost overruns and delays. And yet some still doubt whether moving to a multiyear buy before even one ship gets in the water is a prudent idea.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Bryan McGrath, a retired destroyer skipper and consultant with The Ferrybridge Group, said that despite extensive modeling, the redesign complexity means the shipyards and the Navy don\u2019t have a firm idea of how much the new ship will cost.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u201cEveryone is just sort of guessing what it will cost,\u201d he asserted. \u201cWhen the shipyards are bidding on a multiyear on a design that includes as much immaturity as this one does, they have to price that risk.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u201cOne outcome is they overprice the risk and the taxpayers pay, or they underprice the risk and the taxpayers pay, or they get it right. But the reality is that these sort of risk calculations are difficult to get right.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">McGrath said he\u2019s supportive of the program but that it would be best to first build a few to get an accurate idea of the costs.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u201cI am a big believer in the Flight III DDG and the direction it\u2019s going, but the differences between it and the IIA are considerable. Substantial enough to warrant prudence, and that to me means each shipyard building at least a number of these successfully before we go to a multiyear procurement.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Failure to do so will likely lead to grumpy exchanges before the Senate Armed Services Committee about cost overruns that were predictable.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u201cI can see a day where we have the DDG 51 program manager and the assistant secretary of the Navy for research and development called before the SASC, six to 10 years from now to answer for cost overruns that were wholly foreseeable given the risk of moving from a IIA to a Flight III,\u201d McGrath said.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Thomas Callender, a retired submariner and analyst with the Heritage Foundation, acknowledged that bidding a multiyear before a single ship is built is unusual, but he added that the risks were worth the costs.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u201cThe biggest benefit to the multiyear, the block buy, is you get the economy of scale,\u201d Callender argued. \u201cWith long-lead items, the builders can buy them ahead of time. And for small vendors, for the subcontractors, it gives them the security to ramp up production. It provides them more security to plan and the Navy gets some additional savings there also.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u201cThe downside is you are buying 10 of them before you even build one, but it\u2019s not like we\u2019re not going to buy them anyway if we don\u2019t do it now.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><b>Delays in Congress<\/b><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Doubts aside, the final approval of the Flight III multiyear is hung up in Congress, awaiting passage of the defense appropriations bill. The government is currently operating under a continuing resolution.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The House appropriators have passed its bill, but the Senate is yet to weigh in, save for the Senate Appropriations Committee Chairman Sen. Thad Cochran\u2019s markup, which proposes 10 ships in line with U.S. President Donald Trump\u2019s budget request.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">That\u2019s five fewer than was authorized under the 2018 National Defense Authorization Act, which passed in December.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">All of this, however, is in flux because nobody actually knows how much money is going to be allotted for defense. And until that top line is established, it\u2019s anyone\u2019s guess what it\u2019s going to be.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The much-touted $700 billion defense bill is nothing more than a congressional wish list until appropriators come up with the cash, which is some ways off pending a spending deal.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The current deal means the government has until Jan. 19 to strike a deal on the budget or another continuing resolution.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">If all goes according to plan, Moton said, the award of the multiyear is on track for this summer. In the meantime, Ingalls is slated to begin fabrication of its first Flight III in May, he added.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Questions linger about whether entering into a multiyear contract on what is almost a new class of ship invites delays and cost overruns.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":7,"featured_media":25720,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_acf_changed":false,"_yoast_wpseo_meta-robots-noindex":"","_yoast_wpseo_meta-robots-nofollow":"","_yoast_wpseo_canonical":"","_acf":"","_yoast_wpseo_primary_category":103,"_jetpack_feature_clip_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","_smg_distribution_targets":[]},"categories":[160,29,162,16,36,103],"tags":[],"coauthors":[3361],"class_list":["post-18760","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-daily-news-roundup","category-digital-show-dailies","category-digital-show-daily","category-naval","category-newsletters","category-surface-navy-association"],"acf":{"subheadline":"","legacy_arc_id":"N35ARUFXNNEN3FB7FFXKLKDYZM","arc_canonical_url":"\/digital-show-dailies\/surface-navy-association\/2018\/01\/04\/doubts-linger-as-us-navy-preps-to-order-10-more-flight-iii-destroyers\/","remove_feature_photo":false,"is_sponsored":false,"subtype":"","redirect_url":"","disable_inline_ads":false,"native_logo_pretext":"Presented By:"},"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO Premium plugin v26.0 (Yoast SEO v28.1) - https:\/\/yoast.com\/product\/yoast-seo-premium-wordpress\/ -->\n<title>Doubts linger as US Navy preps to order 10 more Flight III destroyers - Defense News<\/title>\n<meta name=\"description\" content=\"Questions linger about whether entering into a multiyear contract on what is almost a new class of ship invites delays and cost overruns.\" \/>\n<meta name=\"robots\" content=\"noindex, follow, max-snippet:-1, max-image-preview:large, max-video-preview:-1\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:locale\" content=\"en_US\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:type\" content=\"article\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:title\" content=\"Doubts linger as US Navy preps to order 10 more Flight III destroyers\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:description\" content=\"Questions linger about whether entering into a multiyear contract on what is almost a new class of ship invites delays and cost overruns.\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:url\" content=\"https:\/\/one.sightlinemg.com\/defensenews\/digital-show-dailies\/surface-navy-association\/2018\/01\/04\/doubts-linger-as-us-navy-preps-to-order-10-more-flight-iii-destroyers\/\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:site_name\" content=\"Defense News\" \/>\n<meta property=\"article:published_time\" content=\"2018-01-04T14:55:38+00:00\" \/>\n<meta property=\"article:modified_time\" content=\"2026-08-07T21:47:35+00:00\" \/>\n<meta name=\"author\" content=\"David B. 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