{"id":25723,"date":"2018-11-06T19:15:30","date_gmt":"2018-11-06T19:15:30","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/one.sightlinemg.com\/defensenews\/uncategorized\/2018\/11\/06\/the-chief-of-naval-research-on-ai-if-we-dont-all-dogpile-on-this-thing-were-going-to-find-ourselves-behind\/"},"modified":"2026-08-08T18:07:02","modified_gmt":"2026-08-08T18:07:02","slug":"the-chief-of-naval-research-on-ai-if-we-dont-all-dogpile-on-this-thing-were-going-to-find-ourselves-behind","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/one.sightlinemg.com\/defensenews\/interviews\/2018\/11\/06\/the-chief-of-naval-research-on-ai-if-we-dont-all-dogpile-on-this-thing-were-going-to-find-ourselves-behind\/","title":{"rendered":"The chief of naval research on AI: \u2018If we don\u2019t all dogpile on this thing, we\u2019re going to find ourselves behind\u2019"},"content":{"rendered":"<figure class=\"wp-block-smg-jwplayer-video\"><atype-video-jwplayer nostick=\"true\" playlisturl=\"https:\/\/cdn.jwplayer.com\/v2\/playlists\/fCzRqMW8?tags=6722173f-23ea-418d-9fe2-35262559d7d9\" poster=\"\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/08\/video-poster-6722173f-23ea-418d-9fe2-35262559d7d9.jpg\" aspectratio=\"16 \/ 9\" mute autostart=\"false\"><\/atype-video-jwplayer><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Find out Rear Adm. David Hahn, the Chief of Naval Research&#8217;s views on that.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Most of us are comfortable with Siri, or Alexa, or \u201cHey, Google.\u201d But many will tell you artificial intelligence and autonomy in the context of military operations is a whole a different animal.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">That said, if you ask Rear Admiral David Hahn, one factor remains the same: the need for trust. Understand the algorithm and the consequences, he argues, but then relinquish (some) control.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">He shared his vision of AI in the military in an interview following the Defense News Conference in September.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><b>Much of the discussion around artificial intelligence and autonomy involves the proper role of machine versus human. Where do you stand?<\/b><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">We\u2019re at an inflection point for what technology will allow us to do. For artificial intelligence that could be brought to bear in the military context, there has been an expectation that the human is always going to be in control. But as the sophistication of these algorithms and the sophistication of the application of the tools now out there mature, and are brought into the operational space, we need to get at a place of trust. [We need trust] between the algorithm, what\u2019s behind that curtain, and our ability as the humans to agree that the decision or the space that it\u2019s going to operate in \u2013 the context in which its making that decision \u2013 is understood by us. And that more and more is going to have to happen at machine speed, because when machines are interacting with machines, we\u2019re going to have to comfortably move from a human in the loop to a human on the loop. That doesn\u2019t mean it\u2019s an unsupervised act; it means we understand it well enough to trust it.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><b>So, there is relinquishing of control?<\/b><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">There is, but there are clearly pieces of our system today where we do that. That happens when you let your car park itself \u2013 you relinquish that control and trust that the machine is not going to run into the grocery cart behind you or the car next to you. That\u2019s already part of the conversation. And as we get more used to machines performing, and performing accurately over and over and over, our ability to trust these machines [increases], if we understand the algorithm and the consequence. It\u2019s not \u2018I just ran into a shopping cart\u2019 if the consequence we\u2019re talking about is the release of weapons, or something along those lines; but we\u2019ve gotten to the point where we\u2019re comfortable [because of our understanding of the technology].<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><b>We had similar conversations in recent years on cybersecurity, in terms of confidence in the technology, whether we could be sure networks are properly protected, and accepting a degree of risk. Has progress there helped with progress in AI?<\/b><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">I think it\u2019s helping and it will continue to drive us toward this human-machine teaming environment that we all see coming. There are clearly pieces of our system that make us uncomfortable. But we see more and more, that if we don\u2019t take the action to allow it to occur, we might as well have not even created the tool.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><b>It\u2019s a shift in culture, beyond policy. Is that happening yet? Or is it too soon to expect that?<\/b><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">I don\u2019t think we\u2019re too early, and I think it\u2019s happening. And it\u2019s going to be one of those things where we didn\u2019t know it was happening, then we find ourselves there. Ten years ago, the App Store opened. Can you imagine a world without the App Store and what that\u2019s enabled you to do in your daily life with your smartphone? The young people today are almost at a point where there was never a world without a smartphone, there was never a world without an App Store. If you start at that point, this is not a big leap. It\u2019s happening around us, and we just need to find a way to keep up.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><b>Looking ahead, 5 or 10 years, how do you see AI being used in an operational capacity?<\/b><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The limiting factor is not going to be the tools. To borrow a phrase, the \u2018democratization\u2019 of the tools that are associated with developing AI capabilities will allow anybody to work on the data. Our challenge will be whether we have harnessed our own data and done it in a way where we can make the connections between relevant data sets to optimize the mission effect we could get by applying those tools available to everybody. That\u2019s our challenge. And it\u2019s a challenge we\u2019ll need to figure out within each service, amongst the services in the joint environment, from that joint environment into the same space with partners and allies, from the DoD or military into the industrial base, all while moving seamlessly across academia, and [keeping in mind how] the commercial industry plays.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">If we don\u2019t all dogpile on this thing, were going to find ourselves behind in this great power competition in a very important space.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><b>So, establish a playbook so to speak?<\/b><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">And recognize that as soon as we\u2019ve established that playbook, it will change.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Where do humans fit in artificial intelligence? 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