{"id":27543,"date":"2020-06-05T21:14:59","date_gmt":"2020-06-05T21:14:59","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/one.sightlinemg.com\/defensenews\/uncategorized\/2020\/06\/05\/esper-milley-wont-testify-before-the-house\/"},"modified":"2026-08-07T22:15:40","modified_gmt":"2026-08-07T22:15:40","slug":"esper-milley-wont-testify-before-the-house","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/one.sightlinemg.com\/defensenews\/congress\/2020\/06\/05\/esper-milley-wont-testify-before-the-house\/","title":{"rendered":"House Armed Services Committee, Pentagon clash over Esper and Milley testimony"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><i>Updated 6\/7\/20 at 4:30 PM EST with comments from Smith and Hoffman. <\/i><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">WASHINGTON \u2014 Capping of a tumultuous week of questions about <a href=\"https:\/\/www.militarytimes.com\/news\/your-military\/2020\/06\/05\/this-is-why-guardsmen-on-protest-duty-were-kicked-out-of-a-dc-hotel\/\" target=_blank>civil-military affairs<\/a> and the role of the U.S. military, Secretary of Defense Mark Esper and Gen. Mark Milley, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, have turned down a request to testify in front of the House Armed Services Committee.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">A House aide confirmed on background that the two men have \u201crefused\u201d to testify next week, as was requested by HASC Chairman Rep. Adam Smith, D-Wash., <a href=\"https:\/\/www.militarytimes.com\/news\/pentagon-congress\/2020\/06\/02\/senior-military-leaders-being-called-to-testify-to-congress-about-george-floyd-protest-response\/\">requested Tuesday<\/a>. In addition, an informal briefing planned for Friday with Secretary of the Army Ryan McCarthy was cancelled by the DoD.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">In a Friday evening statement, Smith and 30 Democratic members of the HASC called the decision not to appear in front of the committee, which has oversight over the military, \u201cunacceptable.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u201cThe House Armed Services Committee made the request and it has been denied. That is simply unacceptable. It is the constitutional duty of the House Armed Services Committee to perform rigorous oversight, just as it is the constitutional duty of the Administration to be accountable to the American people,&#8221; the members wrote.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u201cApparently, the Trump administration believes they have no obligation to explain their actions to Congress or respect our constitutional system of checks and balances,\u201d Smith and the other continued, while noting that the informal briefing with McCarthy should be rescheduled immediately. &#8220;We look forward to receiving a briefing from the department no later than Monday, June 8, and receiving public, on-the-record testimony from Secretary Esper and General Milley shortly thereafter.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\t<aside class=\"smg-interstitial-link wp-block-smg-interstitial-link\">\n\t\t<a href=\"https:\/\/one.sightlinemg.com\/militarytimes\/news\/your-military\/2020\/06\/04\/the-military-is-supposed-to-stay-out-of-politics-but-it-keeps-getting-dragged-in\/\" class=\"smg-interstitial-link__inner\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"smg-interstitial-link__media\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"300\" height=\"200\" src=\"https:\/\/one.sightlinemg.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/08\/AP20156116048972.jpg.jpg?w=300\" class=\"smg-interstitial-link__image wp-post-image\" alt=\"\" \/>\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"smg-interstitial-link__content\">\n\t\t\t\t<span class=\"smg-interstitial-link__kicker\">Related<\/span>\n\t\t\t\t<h3 class=\"smg-interstitial-link__title\">The military is supposed to stay out of politics, but it keeps getting dragged in<\/h3>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p class=\"smg-interstitial-link__excerpt\">President Trump&#039;s enthusiastic support of sending troops in to tamp down on protests has put the Defense Department in an uncomfortable position.<\/p>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/a>\n\t<\/aside>\n\t\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Following Smith\u2019s statement, a spokesman for HASC ranking member Rep. Mac Thornberry, R-Texas, took a more measured tone, saying that &#8220;it is important that the committee hear from the department to understand how those missions are affecting DoD\u2019s resources and priorities. The timing of that exchange and the witnesses or briefers must, as always, be coordinated with the department.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The Pentagon declined to comment on Friday, but over 24 hours after Smith\u2019s statement was released, chief Pentagon spokesman Jonathan Rath Hoffman issued a comment denying that the department \u201crefused\u201d to attend the HASC meeting.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u201cThe DoD legislative affairs team remains in discussion with the HASC on this request,\u201d Hoffman said. &#8220;In the meantime, DoD has committed to provide Army Secretary McCarthy, Army Chief of Staff Gen. [James] McConville, and DC National Guard Commanding General Maj. Gen. [William] Walker to brief the committee next week on the presence of the National Guard in Washington, D.C., this past week.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Spurning Smith\u2019s request may lead to complications down the road for the Pentagon\u2019s budget request, with Democrats in Congress already gearing up to use the annual National Defense Authorization Act to put restraints on how the military <a href=\"https:\/\/www.defensenews.com\/congress\/2020\/06\/02\/lawmakers-want-must-pass-defense-bill-to-protect-protestors-from-the-military\/\">can operate on civil territory<\/a>. It also adds fuel to questions about the proper civil-military relationship and how the American military can and should be deployed on domestic soil.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u201cThis is a terrible time for the leadership of DoD to look like they\u2019re trying to evade accountability,\u201d said <a href=\"https:\/\/www.defensenews.com\/outlook\/2019\/12\/02\/iiss-deputy-a-strategy-review-dod-needs\/\" target=_blank>Kori Schake<\/a>, a former national security official in the George W. Bush administration who now heads the defense practice at the American Enterprise Institute.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u201cBoth <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/Carter_PE\/status\/1268995565326565376\" target=_blank>committed during their confirmation hearings<\/a> they would appear when Congress called. They should be using every opportunity to explain their choices \u2014 and also to explain things many Americans don\u2019t know, like the different roles the National Guard has from active duty troops,\u201d Schake said. \u201cThe House should refuse to hold an NDAA vote until they do.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The news was first reported by Politico.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Lawmakers have been critical that Esper and Milley were among aides who accompanied Trump just after peaceful demonstrators were gassed in front of the White House Monday night. After the protesters were cleared, Trump posed for a photograph with a Bible in front of nearby St. John\u2019s Episcopal Church, which was damaged by fire amid protests the night before.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Later that night, Esper and Milley, joined by Army Chief of Staff Gen. James McConville and Army Secretary Ryan McCarthy, visited National Guard troops in D.C.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">A low-flying U.S. Army Lakota helicopter was also deployed to disperse protesters in the unrest in Washington, D.C., which followed the killing of George Floyd, a Minnesota man who was being arrested by police. During a White House call with state governors earlier in the day, Esper urged them to let National Guard forces \u201cmass and dominate the battlespace\u201d to dissipate the unrest.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">In a Wednesday press conference \u2014 one that led to a conflict with the White House and has <a href=\"https:\/\/www.defensenews.com\/pentagon\/2020\/06\/04\/under-fire-from-all-sides-espers-next-move-may-dictate-his-future\/\">raised questions about Esper\u2019s job security<\/a> \u2014 the secretary announced an investigation into the use of the helicopter, apologized for the use of the term \u201cbattlespace\u201d to describe American territory, and said he was against the idea of <a href=\"https:\/\/www.militarytimes.com\/news\/your-military\/2020\/06\/03\/troops-should-not-be-used-as-law-enforcement-against-protestors-secdef-says\/\" target=_blank>using active duty military forces<\/a> against civilians.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Both Esper and Milley have come under direct or indirect rhetorical fire from former defense officials for their participation in the Monday event. Among those weighing in this week on civil-military affairs and the current Pentagon leadership are former secretaries of defense Jim Mattis, <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/CarlWoog\/status\/1268949444017352704\">Ash Carter<\/a> and <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/SecDef19\/status\/1268709600783675392\">William Perry<\/a>, and former chairmen of the joint chiefs of staff <a href=\"https:\/\/www.npr.org\/2020\/06\/04\/870004024\/former-joint-chiefs-chairman-condemns-trumps-threat-to-use-military-at-protests\">Martin Dempsey<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.militarytimes.com\/news\/your-military\/2020\/06\/05\/mcraven-backs-mattis-mullen-clearing-peaceful-protesters-for-a-photo-op-is-not-morally-right\/\">Mike Mullen<\/a> and Richard Myers.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed is-type-rich is-provider-twitter wp-block-embed-twitter\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-width=\"500\" data-dnt=\"true\"><p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">Army GEN Mark Milley CJCS talks about the right to peaceful protest. <a href=\"https:\/\/x.com\/MilitaryTimes?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">@MilitaryTimes<\/a> <a href=\"https:\/\/t.co\/8qOKVC4W5L\">pic.twitter.com\/8qOKVC4W5L<\/a><\/p>&mdash; Howard Altman (@haltman) <a href=\"https:\/\/x.com\/haltman\/status\/1267625073751609351?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">June 2, 2020<\/a><\/blockquote><script async src=\"https:\/\/platform.x.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script>\n<\/div><\/figure>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>HASC chairman Rep. 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