{"id":28940,"date":"2021-09-10T06:44:50","date_gmt":"2021-09-10T06:44:50","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/one.sightlinemg.com\/defensenews\/uncategorized\/2021\/09\/10\/a-persistent-proximate-threat-why-the-navy-is-preparing-for-a-fight-under-the-sea\/"},"modified":"2026-08-08T19:42:35","modified_gmt":"2026-08-08T19:42:35","slug":"a-persistent-proximate-threat-why-the-navy-is-preparing-for-a-fight-under-the-sea","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/one.sightlinemg.com\/defensenews\/unmanned\/2021\/09\/10\/a-persistent-proximate-threat-why-the-navy-is-preparing-for-a-fight-under-the-sea\/","title":{"rendered":"A \u2018persistent, proximate threat\u2019: Why the Navy is preparing for a fight under the sea"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">As Russia and China bolster their own submarine fleets and capabilities, the U.S. Navy has renewed its focus on undersea threats and has labeled anti-submarine warfare a priority for all sailors \u2014 and perhaps some Marines, too.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">In August, Russian President <a href=\"https:\/\/www.defensenews.com\/naval\/2021\/08\/23\/putin-launches-construction-of-new-nuclear-subs-and-warships\/\" target=\"_blank\">Vladimir Putin announced plans<\/a> to acquire two nuclear submarines equipped with intercontinental ballistic missiles, and two diesel-powered submarines. And China, which owns four ballistic missile submarines, boasts a force of 50 diesel-electric attack submarines, the Nuclear Threat Initiative reported in February.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">To counter these threats, the Navy reactivated its 2nd Fleet in 2018 to focus on threats from Russia \u2014 including those under the ocean \u2014 and more recently it has held exercises to improve its ability to fight enemy submarines.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u201cThis is where the fight is \u2026 where the competition is,\u201d retired Vice Adm. Andrew Lewis, then the commander of U.S. 2nd Fleet, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.navytimes.com\/news\/your-navy\/2020\/09\/16\/navys-black-widow-exercise-tests-capabilities-in-a-north-atlantic-submarine-battle\/\">told reporters in September 2020<\/a>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u201cAnti-submarine warfare is a primary mission for everybody in the United States Navy, regardless of what you wear on your chest,\u201d Lewis said.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">In recent years, Navy leaders have cautioned about increased Russian undersea activity in the Atlantic Ocean, and have warned that the continental United States <a href=\"https:\/\/www.navytimes.com\/naval\/2018\/05\/04\/the-us-navys-new-command-puts-russia-in-the-crosshairs\/\" target=\"_blank\">is no longer a sanctuary<\/a> safe from such threats.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u201cOver the past several years, we\u2019ve realized that there is a persistent proximate threat in the western Atlantic, primarily from Russian Federation Navy Forces, that has drawn a lot more attention due to the challenges that poses to our homeland defense,\u201d Rear Adm. Brian Davies, commanding officer of Submarine Group 2 and deputy commander of the 2nd Fleet, told Navy Times.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u201cSpecifically, Russian submarines now have advanced cruise missiles that have the range and accuracy to strike military and civilian targets throughout the U.S. and Canada and as a result, we put a lot more focus in the area of theater undersea warfare,\u201d Davies said.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"7839\" height=\"5226\" src=\"\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/08\/6589339.jpg.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-64507\" srcset=\"https:\/\/one.sightlinemg.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/08\/6589339.jpg.jpg 7839w, https:\/\/one.sightlinemg.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/08\/6589339.jpg.jpg?resize=300,200 300w, https:\/\/one.sightlinemg.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/08\/6589339.jpg.jpg?resize=768,512 768w, https:\/\/one.sightlinemg.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/08\/6589339.jpg.jpg?resize=1024,683 1024w, https:\/\/one.sightlinemg.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/08\/6589339.jpg.jpg?resize=1536,1024 1536w, https:\/\/one.sightlinemg.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/08\/6589339.jpg.jpg?resize=2048,1365 2048w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 7839px) 100vw, 7839px\" \/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">The Virginia-class fast-attack submarine USS Illinois (SSN 786) departs Joint Base Pearl Harbor-Hickam for a scheduled deployment in the 7th Fleet area of responsibility on March 30, 2021. Illinois will perform a full spectrum of operations, including anti-submarine and anti-surface warfare, during the Indo-Pacific deployment. MC1 Michael B. Zingaro\/US Navy.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Although the Russian submarine fleet is dramatically smaller than it was at the height of the Cold War, it still has 11 ballistic missile submarines and 17 nuclear-powered attack submarines, according to the Nuclear Threat Initiative. These ballistic missile submarines are capable and technologically on par \u2014 at least in some ways \u2014 with the U.S. submarine fleet, said Bryan Clark, a retired submarine officer and a senior fellow at the Hudson Institute.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u201cYou\u2019ve got this numbers challenge from the China side, the capability challenge from the Russian side, which in some ways demands different approaches to anti-submarine warfare, but it creates for both cases a big problem,\u201d Clark said.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Bryan McGrath, a former destroyer captain who runs the FerryBridge Group, a defense consulting firm, noted that while the Chinese fleet is not as technologically advanced nor as capable as the Russian fleet, they do have a \u201cridiculously capable shipbuilding base\u201d that\u2019s churning out submarines.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The undersea threat has become critical now, given the investment Russia and China have made into expanding their submarine forces, McGrath said.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u201cBottom line for why now is that both of our major competitors are putting money, resources and technology into this domain,\u201d McGrath said.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h5 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Why the Navy re-established the 2nd Fleet<\/h5>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">When the U.S. 2nd Fleet was dissolved in 2011 amid the war on terror, undersea warfare was put on the backburner. But the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.navytimes.com\/news\/your-navy\/2018\/08\/25\/back-to-the-future-with-2nd-fleet\/\" target=\"_blank\">command was resurrected in 2018<\/a> in response to greater levels of Russian activity in the North Atlantic and Arctic, including undersea.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">For the same reason, NATO\u2019s Joint Force Command Norfolk was stood up and the command reached <a href=\"https:\/\/www.navytimes.com\/naval\/2021\/07\/15\/as-nato-command-in-norfolk-reaches-full-standup-milley-warns-of-ongoing-need-for-alliance-to-prevent-great-power-war\/\" target=\"_blank\">full operational capability<\/a> in July 2021. According to Lewis, who was also the commanding officer of JFC Norfolk, the command \u201ccreates a link between North America and Europe and helps to further develop the desired 360-degree approach for our collective defense and security.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">It is the only operational <a href=\"https:\/\/www.navytimes.com\/news\/your-military\/2020\/09\/17\/nato-stands-up-joint-force-command-norfolk-to-boost-readiness-in-the-atlantic\/\" target=\"_blank\">NATO command on the North American continent<\/a>, and has air, surface and subsurface capabilities.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1197\" height=\"628\" src=\"\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/08\/sub2_web.jpg.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-64510\" srcset=\"https:\/\/one.sightlinemg.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/08\/sub2_web.jpg.jpg 1197w, https:\/\/one.sightlinemg.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/08\/sub2_web.jpg.jpg?resize=300,157 300w, https:\/\/one.sightlinemg.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/08\/sub2_web.jpg.jpg?resize=768,403 768w, https:\/\/one.sightlinemg.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/08\/sub2_web.jpg.jpg?resize=1024,537 1024w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1197px) 100vw, 1197px\" \/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">180522-O-N0101-110\rATLANTIC OCEAN (May 22, 2018) The Virginia-class attack submarine Pre-Commissioning Unit (PCU) Indiana (SSN 789) departs Newport News Shipbuilding  to conduct Alpha sea trials in the Atlantic Ocean. Indiana will be commissioned Saturday, Sept. 29, 2018, in Port Canaveral, Fla. (U.S. Navy photo courtesy of General Dynamics Electric Boat by Matt Hildreth\/Released)<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The Navy also revived Submarine Group 2 in September 2019 to streamline the Navy\u2019s ability to command and control undersea warfare assets in the Western Atlantic.<\/p>\n\n\n\t<aside class=\"smg-interstitial-link wp-block-smg-interstitial-link\">\n\t\t<a href=\"https:\/\/one.sightlinemg.com\/navytimes\/news\/your-navy\/2021\/07\/16\/as-nato-command-in-norfolk-reaches-full-standup-milley-warns-of-ongoing-need-for-alliance-to-prevent-great-power-war\/\" class=\"smg-interstitial-link__inner\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"smg-interstitial-link__media\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"300\" height=\"234\" src=\"https:\/\/one.sightlinemg.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/08\/milley_edited.jpg.jpg?w=300\" class=\"smg-interstitial-link__image wp-post-image\" alt=\"\" \/>\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"smg-interstitial-link__content\">\n\t\t\t\t<span class=\"smg-interstitial-link__kicker\">Related<\/span>\n\t\t\t\t<h3 class=\"smg-interstitial-link__title\">As new NATO command becomes fully operational, top US military officer issues warning over \u2018great power war\u2019<\/h3>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p class=\"smg-interstitial-link__excerpt\">Gen. Mark Milley, chairman of the Joint Chiefs, says Joint Force Command Norfolk and NATO are responsible for ensuring another world war never happens.<\/p>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/a>\n\t<\/aside>\n\t\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Similar to combatant commands, the Navy has theater undersea warfare commanders in Naples, Italy, working with the 6th Fleet, and a theater undersea warfare commander in Yokosuka, Japan, working with 5th Fleet and 7th Fleet. Still another in Pearl Harbor works primarily with the 3rd Fleet. But that same structure was absent for 2nd and 4th Fleet, Davies said.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u201cWe really didn\u2019t have a theater undersea warfare commander that was dedicated to a fleet on this side of the Atlantic serving, basically, NORTHCOM and U.S. Fleet Forces Command, and that made it a natural fill in,\u201d Davies said, referring to SUBGRU2.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The command will soon celebrate its second anniversary, and recently became the organization responsible for training and certifying the other theater undersea warfare commanders to ensure they are fully trained, have all the necessary equipment they need and have the appropriate personnel.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u201cThe command, although not in final operating capability yet, is getting closer every day as we get to train and exercise like we would one day fight,\u201d Davies said.<\/p>\n\n\n\t<aside class=\"smg-interstitial-link wp-block-smg-interstitial-link\">\n\t\t<a href=\"https:\/\/one.sightlinemg.com\/navytimes\/flashpoints\/2020\/06\/29\/us-nato-allies-start-anti-submarine-warfare-exercise-dynamic-mongoose\/\" class=\"smg-interstitial-link__inner\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"smg-interstitial-link__media\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"300\" height=\"200\" src=\"https:\/\/one.sightlinemg.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/08\/DynamicMongoose.jpg.jpg?w=300\" class=\"smg-interstitial-link__image wp-post-image\" alt=\"\" \/>\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"smg-interstitial-link__content\">\n\t\t\t\t<span class=\"smg-interstitial-link__kicker\">Related<\/span>\n\t\t\t\t<h3 class=\"smg-interstitial-link__title\">US, NATO allies start anti-submarine warfare exercise Dynamic Mongoose<\/h3>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p class=\"smg-interstitial-link__excerpt\">\u201cExercises today seize opportunities for NATO and Allied nations to sharpen warfighting skills.&quot;<\/p>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/a>\n\t<\/aside>\n\t\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The Navy had the opportunity to do just that while honing its undersea warfare skills in a <a href=\"https:\/\/www.navytimes.com\/news\/your-navy\/2020\/09\/16\/navys-black-widow-exercise-tests-capabilities-in-a-north-atlantic-submarine-battle\/\" target=\"_blank\">new exercise called Black Widow<\/a> \u2014 which just wrapped up its second iteration in August. The exercise aimed to explore new tactics, techniques and procedures, and refine existing ones, Davies said.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1200\" height=\"629\" src=\"\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/08\/sub-and-drone.jpg.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-64512\" srcset=\"https:\/\/one.sightlinemg.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/08\/sub-and-drone.jpg.jpg 1200w, https:\/\/one.sightlinemg.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/08\/sub-and-drone.jpg.jpg?resize=300,157 300w, https:\/\/one.sightlinemg.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/08\/sub-and-drone.jpg.jpg?resize=768,403 768w, https:\/\/one.sightlinemg.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/08\/sub-and-drone.jpg.jpg?resize=1024,537 1024w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1200px) 100vw, 1200px\" \/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">201019-N-LI768-1111 PACIFIC OCEAN Oct. 19, 2020 &#8212;  An unmanned aerial vehicle delivers a payload to the Ohio-class ballistic-missile submarine USS Henry M. Jackson (SSBN 730) around the Hawaiian Islands. Underway replenishment sustains the fleet anywhere\/anytime. This event was designed to test and evaluate the tactics, techniques, and procedures of U.S. Strategic Command&#8217;s expeditionary logistics and enhance the overall readiness of our strategic forces. (U.S. Navy photo by Mass Communication Specialist 1st Class Devin M. Langer\/Released)<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Specifically, the exercise relied on a mixture of scripted scenarios, coupled with cutting edge technologies and existing force structure technology that will be used for the next decade, Davies said.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">While many of the concepts tested were classified, Davies said \u201cour tactics, techniques and procedures really centered on finding an undersea threat that was very adept at using the environment and the topography to their advantage.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The Undersea Warfighting Development Center in Groton, Connecticut, is responsible for establishing the exercise\u2019s objectives, and will then use the data collected from Black Widow to provide an assessment of the exercise.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Those results will then be shared with the Naval Aviation Warfighting Development Center and the Naval Surface and Mine Warfighting Development Center, he said.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u201cOne of the things that the Navy can continue to work on is looking for every available opportunity to train together as this system of systems or team of teams, however you want to refer to it,\u201d Davies said.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u201cWhen we have available bandwidth, we ought to be continuing to scratch and claw for every opportunity to get out there and work together in advancing this art of undersea warfare,\u201d Davies said.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h5 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Will the Marine Corps get involved in anti-submarine warfare?<\/h5>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Although the U.S. Navy has historically been the service primarily responsible for anti-submarine warfare, that could change since the Marine Corps wants to become involved.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.marinecorpstimes.com\/news\/your-marine-corps\/2020\/11\/03\/will-the-marine-corps-take-on-submarine-hunting\/\" target=\"_blank\">Commandant Gen. David Berger<\/a> said in November it\u2019s imperative for the Marine Corps to step in and suggested the service could provide logistics support and air defense as ways to counter the undersea threat.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u201cThe undersea fight will be so critical in the High North and in the western Pacific that the Marine Corps must be part of it,\u201d Berger wrote in a U.S. Naval Institute article from November 2020.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Specifically, Berger proposed that the Marine Corps deploy to bases in the Atlantic\u2019s North Sea or the South China Sea to restrict the movement of Russian or Chinese submarines in the event of undersea war.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u201cBy offering forward logistics and support, as well as sensor and strike capabilities, Marine expeditionary advanced bases (EABs) could make a significant contribution to undersea warfare campaigns, including holding Chinese and Russian submarines at risk,\u201d Berger said.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">These EABs could also house Navy P-8A Poseidons and MH-60R Seahawks, and the Marine Corps could offer air-defense and logistical support for these aircraft, Berger said.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Another role the Marine Corps could assume is operating unmanned aerial vehicles outfitted with anti-submarine warfare sensors and sonobuoys, and then \u201cdeploy and operate passive and active acoustic arrays in adjacent littoral waters,\u201d Berger said.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u201cIn the event of hostilities, when cued by these organic sensors or other joint ISR capabilities, EABs could harass and potentially neutralize Russian submarines with ground-launched ASW missiles or light torpedoes from Marine aircraft,\u201d Berger said.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">McGrath agreed there\u2019s benefit in having Marine EABs equipped with a series of launchers with land-attack weapons, along with weapons that could sink ships and take down ballistic missiles, as part of a larger architecture within the joint force.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">But McGrath has reservations about the Marine Corps becoming too involved in undersea warfare, given the cost of purchasing anti-submarine warfare platforms like P-8 Poseidons and Virginia-class submarines.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u201cAnti-submarine warfare is a science and an art and it\u2019s difficult, and it is a mission that pretty much only the United States Navy does within the Joint Force,\u201d McGrath said.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u201cThere\u2019s a lot of money that goes into that, and I want the Marine Corps busy doing Marine Corps things,\u201d McGrath said. \u201cAnd I don\u2019t think finding submarines is among them.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Clark believes the Navy first must get down to business incorporating unmanned systems before the Marine Corps jumps in to tackle anti-submarine warfare.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1199\" height=\"628\" src=\"\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/08\/sub3_web.jpg.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-64515\" srcset=\"https:\/\/one.sightlinemg.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/08\/sub3_web.jpg.jpg 1199w, https:\/\/one.sightlinemg.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/08\/sub3_web.jpg.jpg?resize=300,157 300w, https:\/\/one.sightlinemg.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/08\/sub3_web.jpg.jpg?resize=768,402 768w, https:\/\/one.sightlinemg.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/08\/sub3_web.jpg.jpg?resize=1024,536 1024w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1199px) 100vw, 1199px\" \/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Cmdr. Bennett Christman, commanding officer of USS New Hampshire (SSN 778), center, gives a tour of the boat\u2019s torpedo room to Vice Adm. Amaury Calheiros and Rear Adm. Rogerio Rodrigues, Brazilian Naval Attach\u00e9s onboard Naval Station Norfolk, June 14, 2021. While in Hampton Roads, the Brazilian delegation met with Adm. Christopher Grady, commander, Fleet Forces Command, visited Commander, Submarine Forces, and toured the Submarine Learning Facility. (U.S. Navy photo by Mass Communication Specialist 2nd Class Cameron Stoner)<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u201cThe Navy\u2019s going to have to first work through the use of unmanned systems to a greater degree, because the Marines aren\u2019t going to be doing anti-submarine warfare unless they\u2019re able to tap into what unmanned systems are going to be doing for the sensing,\u201d Clark said.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h5 class=\"wp-block-heading\">The role of unmanned vehicles<\/h5>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Experts believe one solution to modernize anti-submarine warfare is to use <a href=\"https:\/\/www.defensenews.com\/digital-show-dailies\/surface-navy-association\/2021\/01\/10\/unclear-on-unmanned-the-us-navys-plans-for-robot-ships-are-on-the-rocks\/\">autonomous systems<\/a> to track, trail and potentially engage enemy submarines to neutralize the threat, which would then free up other resources like destroyers for other tasks and cut down on operating costs.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u201cThe unmanned systems give you this ability to do persistent anti-submarine warfare, at a lower cost in peacetime than your manned systems,\u201d Clark said.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">According to a report from <a href=\"https:\/\/www.hudson.org\/research\/16347-sustaining-the-undersea-advantage-transforming-anti-submarine-warfare-using-autonomous-systems\">the Hudson Institute<\/a> issued in September 2020, the U.S. Navy\u2019s anti-submarine warfare approach likely can\u2019t contend with undersea threats in the event of a conflict or crisis.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The report detailed how the Navy currently relies on a complex web for anti-submarine warfare involving seabed sensors, maritime patrol aircraft, destroyers and ultimately, submarines. But that approach could become challenging in the event these manned platforms are required elsewhere \u2014 such as in a time of crisis, the report said.<\/p>\n\n\n\t<aside class=\"smg-interstitial-link wp-block-smg-interstitial-link\">\n\t\t<a href=\"https:\/\/one.sightlinemg.com\/defensenews\/naval\/2021\/02\/17\/with-the-submarine-threat-on-the-rise-the-us-navy-looks-to-autonomous-water-sensor-drones\/\" class=\"smg-interstitial-link__inner\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"smg-interstitial-link__media\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"300\" height=\"225\" src=\"https:\/\/one.sightlinemg.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/08\/drone_glider.jpg.jpg?w=300\" class=\"smg-interstitial-link__image wp-post-image\" alt=\"\" \/>\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"smg-interstitial-link__content\">\n\t\t\t\t<span class=\"smg-interstitial-link__kicker\">Related<\/span>\n\t\t\t\t<h3 class=\"smg-interstitial-link__title\">With the submarine threat on the rise, the US Navy looks to autonomous water sensor drones<\/h3>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p class=\"smg-interstitial-link__excerpt\">The Navy is upgrading its fleet of underwater sensing drones.<\/p>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/a>\n\t<\/aside>\n\t\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">This strategy could also run into problems if enemy submarines were to overwhelm an area. In addition, the cost of operating systems such as a destroyer and a P-8 Poseidon aircraft could become too expensive if there\u2019s a persistent need during periods of flat or declining budgets, the report says.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">For example, Clark said it is cheaper to purchase a medium unmanned surface vessel than a destroyer, and then use the unmanned vessel either infrequently or not at all. However, in the event of a conflict, that medium unmanned surface vessel could be deployed while destroyers are conducting other engagements not related to anti-submarine warfare, he said.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"819\" src=\"\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/08\/SeaGuardian.jpg.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-64519\" srcset=\"https:\/\/one.sightlinemg.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/08\/SeaGuardian.jpg.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/one.sightlinemg.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/08\/SeaGuardian.jpg.jpg?resize=300,240 300w, https:\/\/one.sightlinemg.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/08\/SeaGuardian.jpg.jpg?resize=768,614 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">General Atomics MQ-9B is in development for maritime use. A modified MQ-9A was recently used in an anti-submarine warfare demonstration. (A rendering of the MQ-9B from General Atomics)<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u201cASW is really a lot of searching around and following and chasing submarines,\u201d Clark said. \u201cIt\u2019s not like air defense where it happens very quickly, and so it\u2019s more like just a long-term surveillance mission. So, in peacetime, it is a lot of just waiting around for a submarine to come by, detecting the submarine, and then following the submarine.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The report called for using unmanned systems, including medium unmanned surface vessels and medium-altitude long endurance unmanned aerial vehicles like the MQ-9B SeaGuardian, but noted that not all of the systems it cited are employed operationally yet. As a result, the report suggests that this unmanned approach could occur over the next five to 10 years to allow such systems to mature.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The Navy has focused on <a href=\"https:\/\/www.defensenews.com\/naval\/2021\/02\/17\/with-the-submarine-threat-on-the-rise-the-us-navy-looks-to-autonomous-water-sensor-drones\/\">developing drones<\/a> that could participate in anti-submarine warfare, and has started to test out unmanned systems that could be used in tracking submarines.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">In November 2020, during the development process for the MQ-9B SeaGuardian drone, the Navy and General Atomics <a href=\"https:\/\/www.defensenews.com\/naval\/2021\/01\/18\/off-the-california-coast-the-us-navy-tests-hunting-subs-with-an-aerial-drone\/\">deployed 10 sonobuoys<\/a> from an MQ-9A Block V Reaper and tracked a simulated submarine target.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Never before had an aerial drone dropped a self-contained anti-submarine warfare system. The testing \u201cpaves the way\u201d for additional development of more anti-submarine warfare capabilities from MQ-9s, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.ga.com\/ga-asi-completes-unmanned-aircraft-anti-submarine-warfare-demonstration-of-sonobuoy-dispensing-and-remote-processing\">according to General Atomics<\/a>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h5 class=\"wp-block-heading\">What\u2019s next for the Navy?<\/h5>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Safe havens don\u2019t exist anymore, and that means the Navy must be poised to carry out combat near its home turf, according to Vice Adm. Daryl Caudle, the head of Submarine Force Atlantic.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u201cRussia took a knee for over a decade and allowed a lot of folks to think the homeland is a sanctuary from Russian forces,\u201d Caudle told reporters in September 2020. \u201cOur homeland is no longer a sanctuary. 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(Russian Defence Ministry Press Service via AP)<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">McGrath is worried that the type of equipment to deal with these potential threats won\u2019t receive adequate support in future budgets. The Navy\u2019s proposed budget for fiscal 2022 includes a request for two Virginia-class attack submarines with a topline budget of $211.7 billion \u2014 an overall increase of $3.8 billion from what was enacted in FY2021.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Chief of Naval Operations Adm. 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