{"id":29483,"date":"2018-03-22T18:59:52","date_gmt":"2018-03-22T18:59:52","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/one.sightlinemg.com\/defensenews\/uncategorized\/2018\/03\/22\/on-exec-compensation-sen-sanders-is-comparing-apples-and-oranges\/"},"modified":"2026-08-07T22:23:29","modified_gmt":"2026-08-07T22:23:29","slug":"on-exec-compensation-sen-sanders-is-comparing-apples-and-oranges","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/one.sightlinemg.com\/defensenews\/industry\/2018\/03\/22\/on-exec-compensation-sen-sanders-is-comparing-apples-and-oranges\/","title":{"rendered":"On exec compensation, Sen. Sanders is comparing apples and oranges"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">WASHINGTON \u2014 The U.S. secretary of defense makes roughly $200,000 a year, while the CEOs of Lockheed Martin and Raytheon make more than $20 million. There is an element of absurdity to that. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">And then you consider that Lockheed\u2019s Marillyn Hewson and Raytheon\u2019s Tom Kennedy are not an anomaly. Their counterparts at General Dynamics, Northrop Grumman, Boeing \u2014 all top-tier defense companies \u2014 pay their CEOs total compensation that falls in that ballpark, albeit a bit less. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">So when you hear <a href=\"https:\/\/www.defensenews.com\/congress\/2018\/03\/15\/sen-bernie-sanders-takes-aim-at-defense-firm-excess\/\" title=\"\" class=\"\" target=\"_blank\">Sen. Bernie Sanders take aim at the defense industry<\/a>, asking Defense Secretary Jim Mattis to address \u201cthe excessive compensation of defense contractors,\u201d it seems reasonable. In the words of Sanders, who ran for president in 2016 attacking the vast earnings at the top of corporate America, half of the Pentagon\u2019s budget goes directly into the hands of contractors. And of that amount, one-third, or about $100 billion, goes to the top-five contractors in the United States.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">As Sanders put it during a Senate Budget Committee hearing earlier this month, Lockheed is \u201cfor all intent and purposes, a government agency.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">But actually it\u2019s not. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The truth is, these are publicly traded companies. To compare the compensation of executives to that of Cabinet-level secretaries is apples to oranges. While it may be a hard pill for some to swallow, executive compensation of defense companies is reflective of Wall Street, of the corporate market as a whole, because that is the talent pool they are tapping. <\/p>\n\n\n\t<aside class=\"smg-interstitial-link wp-block-smg-interstitial-link\">\n\t\t<a href=\"https:\/\/one.sightlinemg.com\/defensenews\/industry\/2018\/03\/08\/lockheed-ceo-hewson-defends-the-companys-role-with-dod-we-are-leading-a-national-asset\/\" class=\"smg-interstitial-link__inner\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"smg-interstitial-link__media\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"300\" height=\"179\" src=\"https:\/\/one.sightlinemg.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/08\/20180223_USNA_Boxing_INSTAGRAM_SQUARE73.jpg.jpg?w=300\" class=\"smg-interstitial-link__image wp-post-image\" alt=\"\" \/>\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"smg-interstitial-link__content\">\n\t\t\t\t<span class=\"smg-interstitial-link__kicker\">Related<\/span>\n\t\t\t\t<h3 class=\"smg-interstitial-link__title\">Lockheed CEO Hewson defends the company\u2019s role with DoD: \u2018We are leading a national asset\u2019<\/h3>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p class=\"smg-interstitial-link__excerpt\">Marillyn Hewson sat down with Defense News in an exclusive interview, in which she spoke about the company\u2019s position within the defense industrial complex, and what some regard as outsized influence inside the Pentagon.<\/p>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/a>\n\t<\/aside>\n\t\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">These companies are not recruiting from the Defense Department because, quite frankly, the skills needed to run a Fortune 500 company do not reside within the Pentagon. These companies are competing for talent against one another and other corporate giants. Compensation for the CEO of Pfizer, with roughly $53 billion to Lockheed\u2019s $51 billion was $28 million. Sysco and FedEx, ranked just below Lockheed Martin on the Fortune 500, each pays its CEO more than $15 million. AIG, just above Lockheed in the ranking, saw executive compensation fall with the financial bailout, but it\u2019s looking to return: New Chief Executive Brian Duperreault brought back big pay packages as part of a pledge to revive the insurer\u2019s heyday of top talent.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">In the words of Andrew Hunter, a former Pentagon acquisition official now with the Center for Strategic and International Studies: \u201cSanders is ignoring the concern that we need to give jobs to people in industry, and that involves paying them salaries that are competitive with Google, Apple and others competing for talent.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">It\u2019s true that companies can essentially pay executives what they want as long as they don\u2019t seek reimbursement from the government. (There\u2019s a cap of $500,000 on the amount of executive compensation that can be baked into contracts.) But why shouldn\u2019t they? These are private companies answering to customers on the products they deliver, but to shareholders on how they run the business. They are indeed bringing in billions from defense customers, but they\u2019re also delivering advanced systems and technologies in return. That money is not funneling to companies\u2019 coffers without getting anything in return.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">As Pentagon Comptroller David Norquist told Sanders during the hearing: \u201cTaxpayers should be paying for the services we receive.\u201d And that is indeed what is happening.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">And not to split hairs, but compensation isn\u2019t hard cash alone. According to Lockheed\u2019s latest proxy statement, Hewson\u2019s total compensation included $9.79 million in base salary and bonuses, $9.23 million in stock awards, and a little more than $1 million in pension assets. Why does that matter? Because a good chunk stems from stock market performance, not contract revenue.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Am I arguing all this is reasonable? No. I actually find executive compensation ludicrous, as if companies are dealing with fun money instead of actual dollars and stock awards. I also feel that way about professional athletes and entertainers. And yet, we still go to football games and music concerts. What I am arguing is that, in the case of corporate compensation, it\u2019s not quite as simple as Sen. Sanders, who repeatedly referred to Lockheed\u2019s CEO as a \u201che\u201d and \u201cthis guy\u201d during the hearing, might like to claim. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">This is a Wall Street problem \u2014 not a defense contracting one. Or perhaps this reflects another issue: that government officials are underpaid? 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