{"id":30257,"date":"2019-12-03T21:55:41","date_gmt":"2019-12-03T21:55:41","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/one.sightlinemg.com\/defensenews\/uncategorized\/2019\/12\/03\/trump-upbeat-on-nuclear-talks-but-lawmakers-warn-of-blow-up\/"},"modified":"2026-08-07T22:34:47","modified_gmt":"2026-08-07T22:34:47","slug":"trump-upbeat-on-nuclear-talks-but-lawmakers-warn-of-blow-up","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/one.sightlinemg.com\/defensenews\/congress\/2019\/12\/03\/trump-upbeat-on-nuclear-talks-but-lawmakers-warn-of-blow-up\/","title":{"rendered":"Trump upbeat on nuclear talks with Russia and China, but lawmakers warn of \u2018blow up\u2019"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">WASHINGTON \u2015 U.S. President Donald Trump was optimistic on Tuesday about notional negotiations with <a href=\"https:\/\/www.defensenews.com\/training-sim\/2019\/10\/24\/russian-nuclear-subs-launch-icbms-in-military-drill\/\" target=\"_blank\">Russia<\/a> and <a href=\"https:\/\/www.defensenews.com\/smr\/nuclear-triad\/2018\/02\/21\/china-to-us-dont-use-us-as-an-excuse-to-alter-your-nuclear-strategy\/\" target=\"_blank\">China<\/a> on a new nuclear weapons treaty, but State Department officials painted a murkier picture in testimony to skeptical lawmakers on Capitol Hill.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The conflicting accounts came as arms control advocates and some lawmakers worry that the Trump administration could let a 2010 arms reduction treaty, New START, expire in 2021, leaving no limits on the world\u2019s two largest nuclear arsenals.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">With time running out for Trump to achieve his ambitious goals of a new trilateral agreement with Russia and China that sets new limits on Russia\u2019s shorter-range \u201ctactical\u201d nukes, lawmakers told administration officials that a lack of progress is no reason to let New START expire.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u201cI think what we don\u2019t want to see is China used as an excuse to blow up the existing or potential extension of an agreement with Russia that contributes to international security, and of course in the nuclear realm that\u2019s important to our survival,\u201d Sen. Jeff Merkley, D-Ore., told State Department officials Tuesday during a Senate Foreign Relations Committee hearing on Russia.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Though the treaty, which limits the number of strategic weapons, has been in doubt since Trump pulled the U.S. out of the Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty this year, Trump said at <a href=\"https:\/\/www.defensenews.com\/smr\/nato-2020-defined\/\" target=_blank>NATO\u2019s London meeting<\/a> that his conversations with Russian President Vladimir Putin and Chinese officials on nuclear arms control had gone well.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u201cWith respect to nuclear weapons, I\u2019ve spoken with President [Vladimir] Putin, and I\u2019ve communicated with him. He very much, and so do we, want to work out a treaty of some kind on nuclear that will probably include China at some point, and [France] by the way, but it will include China and some other countries,\u201d Trump said.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Top Chinese officials previously <a href=\"https:\/\/www.fmprc.gov.cn\/mfa_eng\/xwfw_665399\/s2510_665401\/t1681503.shtml\" target=_blank>made clear<\/a> that Beijing will not participate in trilateral talks, but Trump on Tuesday said that when he raised the issue with Chinese officials during separate trade negotiations, \u201cthey were extremely excited about getting involved. &#8230; So some very good things can happen with respect to that.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\t<aside class=\"smg-interstitial-link wp-block-smg-interstitial-link\">\n\t\t<a href=\"https:\/\/one.sightlinemg.com\/defensenews\/global\/europe\/2019\/08\/13\/an-explosion-a-spike-in-radiation-evacuation-preparations-what-exactly-happened-in-russia\/\" class=\"smg-interstitial-link__inner\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"smg-interstitial-link__media\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"300\" height=\"200\" src=\"https:\/\/one.sightlinemg.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/08\/AP_18060389105471.jpg.jpg?w=300\" class=\"smg-interstitial-link__image wp-post-image\" alt=\"\" \/>\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"smg-interstitial-link__content\">\n\t\t\t\t<span class=\"smg-interstitial-link__kicker\">Related<\/span>\n\t\t\t\t<h3 class=\"smg-interstitial-link__title\">An explosion. A radiation spike. Evacuations planned and canceled. What\u2019s happening in Russia?<\/h3>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p class=\"smg-interstitial-link__excerpt\">Defense News&#039; Russia correspondent takes a look at government, media and commercial industry reports to pinpoint what exactly exploded Aug. 8 in Nyonoksa.<\/p>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/a>\n\t<\/aside>\n\t\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The U.S. previously argued that Russia was out of compliance with the INF Treaty \u2015 something Russia denied. However, Washington\u2019s position is that Moscow is in compliance with New START, which restricts each country to a total of 1,550 warheads deployed on bombers, submarines and in underground silos.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">There is an option to extend the treaty for up to five years should the U.S. and Russia agree, but the Trump administration has not committed to doing so.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Proposed bipartisan legislation in both the House and Senate is a signal that some in Congress want the government to extend New START, so long as Russia is in compliance, but neither bill has been taken up in committee.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">At the Russia hearing, testimony from Assistant Secretary of State for International Security and Nonproliferation Christopher Ford suggested the administration\u2019s efforts had not made significant headway, even as the official warned Russia and China have <a href=\"https:\/\/www.defensenews.com\/smr\/nuclear-arsenal\/2019\/02\/26\/us-nuclear-general-worries-over-russias-weapons-outside-new-start\/\" target=_blank>expanded their nuclear arsenals<\/a>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The State Department has thus far convened teams of experts on a possible New START extension and other issues, Ford said in written testimony. He made no mention of any dedicated negotiation strategy, team or dedicated talks.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u201cWe are hard at work on these issues and hope to have more to say about this soon,\u201d Ford said.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Senate Foreign Relations Committee Chairman <a href=\"https:\/\/www.defensenews.com\/congress\/2019\/12\/03\/senate-foreign-relations-chairman-talks-turkeys-erdogan-and-the-hole-hes-dug-himself-into\/\" target=_blank>Jim Risch<\/a>, R-Idaho, opposed New START before it was ratified 2010, and he <a href=\"https:\/\/www.militarytimes.com\/congress\/2019\/12\/03\/senate-foreign-relations-chairman-talks-turkeys-erdogan-and-the-hole-hes-dug-himself-into\/\" target=_blank>recently said<\/a> that it should be allowed to lapse under current circumstances. After Tuesday\u2019s hearing, he described himself as \u201cvery cautious and skeptical\u201d about the administration\u2019s process, and he stopped short of saying it was moving forward.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u201cI wouldn\u2019t characterize it as that at this point. I\u2019m hopeful that will happen. I don\u2019t think we\u2019re there yet,\u201d Risch said.<\/p>\n\n\n\t<aside class=\"smg-interstitial-link wp-block-smg-interstitial-link\">\n\t\t<a href=\"https:\/\/one.sightlinemg.com\/defensenews\/smr\/nuclear-arsenal\/2019\/02\/06\/russia-bids-farewell-to-inf-treaty-with-fresh-nuclear-development-plans\/\" class=\"smg-interstitial-link__inner\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"smg-interstitial-link__media\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"300\" height=\"200\" src=\"https:\/\/one.sightlinemg.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/08\/24_coverjump_inftreaty.jpg.jpg?w=300\" class=\"smg-interstitial-link__image wp-post-image\" alt=\"\" \/>\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"smg-interstitial-link__content\">\n\t\t\t\t<span class=\"smg-interstitial-link__kicker\">Related<\/span>\n\t\t\t\t<h3 class=\"smg-interstitial-link__title\">Russia bids farewell to INF Treaty with fresh nuclear development plans<\/h3>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p class=\"smg-interstitial-link__excerpt\">Freed of its obligations under the INF Treaty, Moscow is wasting no time in developing new, once-prohibited weapons systems.<\/p>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/a>\n\t<\/aside>\n\t\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">In one key exchange during the hearing with Sen. Todd Young, R-Ind., Ford said there had been two engagements with Russia on arms control broadly since the start of the Trump administration but no date yet for a third dialogue.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Young asked whether there is enough time for the administration to meet its goals before New START lapses in 15 months. Ford suggested the treaty could be renewed \u201cvery quickly\u201d for a period of less than five years, but he also said \u201cthree-way dynamics\u201d associated with adding China would take more study.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u201cWe have conceptual templates from the Cold War that are bilateral, and those don\u2019t make sense in an at-least trilateral world,\u201d Ford said.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">China\u2019s nuclear arsenal is thought to be <a href=\"https:\/\/www.defensenews.com\/global\/2019\/06\/16\/heres-how-many-nuclear-warheads-exist-and-which-countries-own-them\/\" target=_blank>modest compared with the respective American and Russian arsenals<\/a>. Would a new treaty have China grow to meet America, have the U.S. shrink to meet China, or can China can be locked into differential numbers with the U.S., Merkely asked pointedly.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u201cThose kinds of questions are just the kind of thing we need to be and should be talking about with our Russian and Chinese counterparts,\u201d responded Ford, adding that both countries need to come to the table.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Merkley fired back: \u201cOK, but you haven\u2019t engaged in those serious conversations yet, and I know from past arms control negotiations that it can take many years to work out the details when there are actually fairly uniform relationships between two powers \u2015 and this is not a uniform relationship.&#8221;<\/p>\n\n\n\t<aside class=\"smg-interstitial-link wp-block-smg-interstitial-link\">\n\t\t<a href=\"https:\/\/one.sightlinemg.com\/defensenews\/breaking-news\/2019\/01\/14\/how-the-us-and-china-collaborated-to-get-nuclear-material-out-of-nigeria-and-away-from-terrorist-groups\/\" class=\"smg-interstitial-link__inner\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"smg-interstitial-link__media\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"300\" height=\"169\" src=\"https:\/\/one.sightlinemg.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/08\/Nigerian-web-image.jpg.jpg?w=300\" class=\"smg-interstitial-link__image wp-post-image\" alt=\"\" \/>\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"smg-interstitial-link__content\">\n\t\t\t\t<span class=\"smg-interstitial-link__kicker\">Related<\/span>\n\t\t\t\t<h3 class=\"smg-interstitial-link__title\">How the US and China collaborated to get nuclear material out of Nigeria \u2014 and away from terrorist groups<\/h3>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p class=\"smg-interstitial-link__excerpt\">Defense News reveals how an international team was given 24 hours to extract radioactive material from an African country in the throes of battling Boko Haram.<\/p>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/a>\n\t<\/aside>\n\t\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Along similar lines, Sen. 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He suggested that the agreement\u2019s expiration would trigger a new arms race.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u201cMy concern is if we mishandle this, we could wind up with a new nuclear arms race that could cost us trillions of unnecessary dollars because we missed the opportunity for a negotiated agreement first with the Russians,\u201d Markey said. \u201cIf we don\u2019t take that opportunity, I think we will wind up with a deficit that is just ballooning.\u201d<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Trump was optimistic about negotiations with Russia and China on a new nuclear weapons treaty, but State Department officials painted a murkier 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