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A change of government is seen as opening an opportunity for Naval Group to compete with TKMS.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u201cNothing is certain,\u201d the source said.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"4854\" height=\"3306\" src=\"\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/08\/212a-class-german-submarine.jpg.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-60404\" srcset=\"https:\/\/one.sightlinemg.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/08\/212a-class-german-submarine.jpg.jpg 4854w, https:\/\/one.sightlinemg.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/08\/212a-class-german-submarine.jpg.jpg?resize=300,204 300w, https:\/\/one.sightlinemg.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/08\/212a-class-german-submarine.jpg.jpg?resize=768,523 768w, https:\/\/one.sightlinemg.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/08\/212a-class-german-submarine.jpg.jpg?resize=1024,697 1024w, https:\/\/one.sightlinemg.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/08\/212a-class-german-submarine.jpg.jpg?resize=1536,1046 1536w, https:\/\/one.sightlinemg.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/08\/212a-class-german-submarine.jpg.jpg?resize=2048,1395 2048w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 4854px) 100vw, 4854px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Spokesmen for Fincantieri and Naval Group declined to comment.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">French executives saw an Italian order for two more U212A boats as unhelpful considering Naval Group and Fincantieri are in <a href=\"https:\/\/www.defensenews.com\/industry\/2018\/02\/01\/company-chiefs-head-to-paris-for-franco-italian-naval-merger-talks\/\" title=\"\" class=\"\" style=\"\" target=\"_blank\">detailed negotiations<\/a> for industrial cooperation. A Franco-Italian agreement is expected in June.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">One of the planned cooperation moves includes Naval Group adopting the Italian design for a fleet auxiliary tanker and adapting the vessels to meet French Navy requirements.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u201cThe pathways for cooperation are being explored with Italy on the auxiliary tanker of the logistic fleet,\u201d according to the annex to the French 2019-2025 military budget law. 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