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All appeared to be back on track later the same month when Raytheon announced it would build a final assembly and check out line in Mississippi. While structural assembly would take place in Italy, at least 70 percent of the T-100 training system \u2014 including ground-based systems \u2014would be built in the United States, a Raytheon spokesman said at the time.<br\/><br\/> &#8220;The October row was over control, and that never really went away, but the debate over price also became more important, particularly as the [competitiveness] of Boeing&#8217;s offer in the T-X program became more evident,&#8221;\u00a0said a second Italian source.\u00a0Boeing has teamed with Saab to offer a clean sheet design.<br\/><br\/><\/p>\n\n\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The second source added that Raytheon wanted to reduce the price by\u00a025-30 percent.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The first source sympathized with Leonardo over the price wrangle, stating, &#8220;Raytheon saw price as key to competing, but perhaps didn\u2019t fully understand the cost of the plane, not being an aircraft manufacturer.&#8221;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">&#8220;Leonardo really worked on pricing,&#8221; he added.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">A US source with knowledge of the discussions confirmed that the final price per plane was the sticking point, saying Raytheon\u2019s target figure was &#8220;several million&#8221; less than Leonardo was willing to accept. The issue remained one of contention for several months, the source added.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Raytheon declined to comment on its split from Leonardo beyond a company statement released yesterday, which attributed the breakup to the fact that the\u00a0&#8220;companies were unable to reach a business agreement that is in the best interest of the U.S. Air Force.&#8221;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Richard Aboulafia, an analyst at the Teal Group, said it was no secret that cost was crucial in the T-X bid.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">&#8220;And it\u2019s no secret the M-346, with a fly away cost of about $25 million, is an expensive plane \u2014 about the same price as the T-50,&#8221; he said.\u00a0&#8220;For the M-346, which lags on some specifications including Gs, price was doubly important and they needed to hit the $15-18 million zone.&#8221;<\/p>\n\n\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Aboulafia said Leonardo may have been partly to blame for the high price: &#8220;Italy has a fundamentally high cost structure, with high labor costs and rigid labor terms. 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