{"id":41318,"date":"2016-04-28T21:05:49","date_gmt":"2016-04-28T21:05:49","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/one.sightlinemg.com\/defensenews\/uncategorized\/2016\/04\/28\/turner-carter-has-lost-total-credibility-on-budget\/"},"modified":"2026-08-07T23:23:26","modified_gmt":"2026-08-07T23:23:26","slug":"turner-carter-has-lost-total-credibility-on-budget","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/one.sightlinemg.com\/defensenews\/pentagon\/2016\/04\/28\/turner-carter-has-lost-total-credibility-on-budget\/","title":{"rendered":"Turner: Carter Has \u2018Lost Total Credibility\u2019 on Budget"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">WASHINGTON \u2014 A lead hawk in the US House fired back at Defense Secretary Ash Carter on Thursday for his criticism of a House GOP plan to fund defense next year, saying the Pentagon&#8217;s top official has &#8220;lost total credibility&#8221; on budget matters.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">House Armed Services Tactical AirLand Subcommittee Chairman Mike Turner, R-Ohio, made his pointed comments on a conference call with reporters Thursday, hours after an all-night session saw the House Armed Services Committee vote to send the 2017 National Defense Authorization Act to the full House.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>At issue is a plan, formulated by HASC chairman Rep. 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Having detailed my objections yesterday before the appropriations committee, today in the context of this testimony, I just want to highlight the danger of underfunding our war effort, gambling with funding for our troops in places like Iraq and Syria,&#8221; Carter said. &#8220;As Secretary of Defense, I cannot support such a maneuver.&#8221;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Shortly after Carter made his comments, Turner ripped into the secretary for condemning the $583 billion bill agreed to by the HASC, which authorizes $524 billion for the base budget and $58.8 billion for the OCO account.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Some defense hawks in Congress, including Turner, have an interpretation of the 2015 budget deal in which the $59 billion allocated for OCO was a minimum to be raised based on current threats. 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Senate Armed Services Committee Chairman John McCain, R-Ariz., has indicated he is leaning towards a different, unspecified plan for his bill, and the two sides will have to go to conference \u2013 if the language even survives a full House vote.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">However, Carter&#8217;s early criticism of the HASC language could be a sign that he would recommend President Barack Obama veto any defense bill which comes to his desk with the Thornberry OCO plan attached.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Speaking on background, a senior defense official said a potential veto will be discussed &#8220;within the context of the entire bill. There is a formal process associated with that.&#8221;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Senate&#8217;s Assistant Minority Leader Dick Durbin, D-Ill., on Wednesday appeared to be keeping his powder dry on the House GOP plan.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">&#8220;We have no budget resolution, so we&#8217;re making this up as we go along,&#8221; said Durbin, the ranking member of the Senate Appropriations Defense Subcommittee. &#8220;The basic rules have been and continue to be: equal spending on defense and non-defense, no poison pill riders, live up to the budget agreement. Now OCO is obviously being redefined from war funds to investment-in-defense funds. I&#8217;m waiting to see the final product, but we have to play by the rules.&#8221;<\/p>\n\n\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Email:\u00a0<a href=\"mailto:jgould@defensenews.com\">jgould@defensenews.com<\/a>\u00a0|\u00a0<a href=\"mailto:amehta@defensenews.com\">amehta@defensenews.com<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Twitter: @ReporterJoe | @AaronMehta<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>A lead hawk in the House took aim at Ash Carter on Thursday as a budget fight over OCO 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