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The Su-35 first appeared at the 2014 Zhuhai Airshow, leading to speculation a contract was imminent.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Beijing has yet to confirm the deal and is normally secretive about military sales, but China&#8217;s media outlet, Global Times, quoted\u00a0Fu Qianshao, a Beijing-based air defense specialist, as calling the signing a &#8220;crucial step for military trade&#8221; with Moscow.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The production of the aircraft for the Chinese started even before the final contract was signed, said Vasily Kashin, a China military specialist at the Moscow-based Centre for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">&#8220;So, it will not stand in a queue, and we possibly will see the first deliveries late next year and the final ones at some point in 2018, maybe late 2017,&#8221; Kashin said.\u00a0The deal does not include any technology transfers, but the Russians have agreed to use some of the &#8220;Chinese cockpit equipment,&#8221; he said.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>There are fears China\u2019s decision to procure only 24 fighters indicates an intention to reverse engineer and copy the fighter, as it <span class=\"rte rte-comment\">they <\/span>did with the Su-27SK. In 1995, China secured a $2.5 billion production license deal from Russia to build 200 Su-27SKs, dubbed the J-11A. In 2006, Russia killed the contract after 95 aircraft when it discovered China had reverse engineered the aircraft and was covertly manufacturing an indigenous variant, the J-11B, with Chinese-built avionics and weapons.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">There are also fears China will want the Su-35&#8217;s sophisticated engine, the Saturn AL-117S, for its J-20 stealth fighter. 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The Su-35 is the ultimate development of the Su-27 family, with improved airframe, new engines, avionics\u00a0and radar, and now the Chinese are testing the J-11D version with active electronically scanned array radar and other improvements.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">&#8220;In the mid-term, the development of this family is much more important for Chinese air power than their stealth aircraft programs,&#8221; the J-31 and J-20 stealth fighters, Kashin said. &#8220;Exercising with one regiment of Su-35s will help them understand what\u00a0direction can be chosen for the future of their heavy fighters fleet, what they can do themselves, when they have to go to the Russians for help, etc.&#8221;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Cliff, author of the new book, &#8220;<a href=\"http:\/\/www.cambridge.org\/hr\/academic\/subjects\/politics-international-relations\/international-relations-and-international-organisations\/chinas-military-power-assessing-current-and-future-capabilities?format=PB\">China&#8217;s Military Power: Assessing Current and Future Capabilities<\/a>,&#8221; said he was more skeptical of China reaping as much as many fear from the Su-35.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">&#8220;Just buying examples of technologies, however, doesn&#8217;t immediately convey the ability to make them oneself,&#8221; he said. 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