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The talks could take some time &#8220;to reach an understanding&#8221; that meets the needs of the UAE Air Force, the source said.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>France has been in talks for more than five years on a sale of 60 Rafales, with the UAE requiring <span class=\"rte rte-comment\">service holding specific requirements aimed at flying <\/span>a more capable fighter with an<span class=\"rte rte-comment\">d<\/span> extensive weapons suite. The Rafale would replace the fleet of Mirage 2000-9s.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The fresh talks are looking at requirements rather than reviving discussions for 60 Rafales and it is too early to say how many aircraft would be purchased for how much, <span class=\"rte rte-comment\">and the budget, <\/span>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The UAE is seen a potential buyer after Egypt sealed a deal for 24 Rafales and India announced a plan to order 36 off the assembly line in France.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>&#8220;There are discussions going on with the Emirates, they are going in the right direction,&#8221; French Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius told journalists at the <span class=\"rte rte-comment\">April 16 <\/span>the Anglo-American Press Association on April 16.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>France is pursuing <span class=\"rte rte-comment\">pursues <\/span>an &#8220;economics diplomacy,&#8221; he said. &#8220;The president, prime minister, defense minister and myself \u2014 we work very closely together.&#8221; That approach was applied generally and to the Rafale specifically, he said.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Fabius said he met UAE Crown Prince Sheikh Mohammed Bin Zayed al-Nahyan during a trip to Saudi Arabia on the weekend of April 11-12, confirming a report by daily Le Monde. &#8220;There is a French saying \u2014 all things come in threes,&#8221; the French minister said, referring to the Rafale deals with Egypt and India, the report said.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Dassault Aviation Chairman Eric Trappier said on March 11 that the French company was back in talks with the UAE, but that these were not contract negotiations.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The UAE is in talks with the US to order 30 <span class=\"rte rte-comment\">of the <\/span>Block 61 <span class=\"rte rte-comment\">version of the <\/span>Lockheed Martin F-16s, which would add to the 80-strong fleet of Block 60 fighters, Reuters has reported. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Executives at the International Defence Exhibition <span class=\"rte rte-comment\">IDEX trade show <\/span>in Abu Dhabi in February noted the UAE crown prince spent an hour behind closed doors at the Dassault stand on the opening day. 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Russia has canceled an embargo and will deliver the S-300, a sophisticated surface-to-air missile, to Iran. 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