{"id":59737,"date":"2021-03-19T21:58:18","date_gmt":"2021-03-19T21:58:18","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/one.sightlinemg.com\/defensenews\/uncategorized\/2021\/03\/19\/proposed-us-submarine-hunting-plane-prompts-hand-wringing-in-germany\/"},"modified":"2026-08-08T00:32:33","modified_gmt":"2026-08-08T00:32:33","slug":"proposed-us-submarine-hunting-plane-prompts-hand-wringing-in-germany","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/one.sightlinemg.com\/defensenews\/naval\/2021\/03\/19\/proposed-us-submarine-hunting-plane-prompts-hand-wringing-in-germany\/","title":{"rendered":"Proposed US submarine-hunting plane prompts hand-wringing in Germany"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">COLOGNE, Germany \u2013 The U.S. government has cleared the sale of five P-8A maritime patrol aircraft to Germany, but Berlin is nowhere near ready to make a decision on the $1.8 billion purchase.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The March 12 notice by the Defense Security Cooperation about the planes and associated equipment comes after Defense Minister Annegret Kramp-Karrenbauer announced in February that a replacement for Germany\u2019s P-3 Orion was not financially tenable for the time being.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The German navy has said it urgently needs new aircraft, pointing to sophisticated Russian submarine capabilities in the Baltic and Nordic regions. The service favors the Boeing-made P-8 Poseidon.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The potential purchase is another example of a German service branch having a preference for an off-the-shelf product from the United States. It follows the Luftwaffe eyeing the F-35 as a replacement for the country\u2019s Tornados. In the end, the ministry of defense decided against the Lockheed Martin-made plane to keep the defense-industrial pipeline working toward the French-German-Spanish Future Combat Air System, which is set to hit the skies in 2040.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Similar considerations are now at play with the Orion replacement. A separate German-French cooperative program, the Maritime Airborne Warfare System (MAWS), is expected to produce a new aircraft by 2035. The program is still in its infancy, though, and the German navy needs new planes by 2025.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Defense leaders here consider the U.S. offer for the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.defensenews.com\/global\/europe\/2020\/02\/04\/britain-receives-first-poseidon-aircraft-in-bid-to-restore-submarine-hunting-muscle\/\">Poseidon<\/a> one of several potential gap fillers for the intervening ten-year period. But, as in the case of the F-35, some officials fear that the system would be too sophisticated and expensive in that role, potentially outshining the envisioned co-development with neighbor France.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Also in the running as part of a market survey by the ministry of defense is the Airbus-made C-295, but the plane is too small to carry the anti-submarine combat punch that the navy says it needs.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u201cSonobuoys and the ability to launch torpedoes are in demand again at the northern flank,\u201c said Sebastian Bruns, a naval analyst at the University of Kiel in northern Germany. \u201cThe navy needs more than just eyes in the sky.\u201c<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">He said Russia\u2019s submarine-warfare capabilities are \u201cexquisite,\u201c with European nations routinely losing track of Moscow\u2019s vessels. The growing discipline of \u201cseabed warfare,\u201c a kind of hide-and-seek game involving novel sensors or self-activating sleeper weapons that sit undetected on the ocean floor, is a fast-moving area of military research, Bruns added.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">That\u2019s why some in the German navy fear losing a key capability, potentially for good, if the defense ministry\u2019s bridge solution towards MAWS lacks oomph, according to the analyst. \u201cFor German naval aviators, this is a make-or-break moment.\u201c<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">French trade publication Mer et Marine reported this week that the French ministry of defense had offered Germany the possibility of leasing four of its Breguet Atlantic 2 aircraft, the type Paris wants to replace with the eventual MAWS aircraft.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The German and French defense departments did not immediately confirm the proposal. A German navy official said the service was aware of it through the press report.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Airbus is also waiting in the wings, having pitched an idea for an A320-type plane converted for the sub-hunting role.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Either way, there is currently no money budgeted for a new maritime patrol aircraft, a German ministry of defense spokeswoman told Defense News. 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