{"id":61570,"date":"2020-03-16T00:00:18","date_gmt":"2020-03-16T00:00:18","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/one.sightlinemg.com\/defensenews\/uncategorized\/2020\/03\/16\/estonias-top-military-officer-on-putting-aside-national-interests-for-regional-defense\/"},"modified":"2026-08-08T00:39:08","modified_gmt":"2026-08-08T00:39:08","slug":"estonias-top-military-officer-on-putting-aside-national-interests-for-regional-defense","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/one.sightlinemg.com\/defensenews\/interviews\/2020\/03\/16\/estonias-top-military-officer-on-putting-aside-national-interests-for-regional-defense\/","title":{"rendered":"Estonia\u2019s top military officer on putting aside national interests for regional defense"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">WASHINGTON \u2014 As one of the three Baltic nations, Estonia represents NATO\u2019s front line in any potential conflict with Russia. And while each of the Baltic states has its own individual defense priorities, it is widely accepted that any conflict would involve all three \u2014 Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Maj. Gen. Martin Herem, the chief of Estonia\u2019s Defence Forces, believes it\u2019s time for the nations to start thinking regionally instead of parochially. He talked to Defense News about this and other security issues during a February visit to Washington.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><b>From an Estonian perspective, what are you looking to see come out of the <\/b><a href=\"https:\/\/www.defensenews.com\/land\/2019\/10\/07\/reforger-redux-defender-2020-exercise-to-be-3rd-largest-exercise-in-europe-since-cold-war\/\" target=_blank><b>Defender Europe 2020<\/b><\/a><b> exercise?<\/b><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The most obvious and the easiest thing that will be achieved already is a message. In Europe we have discussions on where America is. Are they are moving away from Europe, [abandoning us]? Or, will [the U.S. support us] against the threat from the east? And this is definitely a message, that tens of thousands of people deploy to Europe \u2014 that costs money, but that also shows attitude. And it is not just to protect the American interests. So that\u2019s very clear.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Second thing, which may be the more important for me, because I have no doubts that America will support us if it is needed \u2014 it is that we will exercise our capability to receive the reinforcement. From our side, we have a possibility to exercise our command post and our headquarters. So we\u2019ll get a much better understanding of what we have to do to receive reinforcement. And hopefully in future exercises, we\u2019ll have a better understanding what kind of conditions we must create militarily.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">This exercise differs a little bit \u2014 a lot, actually \u2014 from many other exercises, where we just deploy the battalion or brigade to some area, then they do the live-firing exercise, we cooperate, different nations are cooperating, we enjoy the crowd and international environment \u2014 but we can do it in New Zealand or Greenland or wherever. It doesn\u2019t exercise the reinforcement of this region. This Defender \u201920 definitely will do this. And that\u2019s, again, very important. It will train, or educate, us.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><b>NATO and its European Union counterparts have spent a lot of time <\/b><a href=\"https:\/\/www.defensenews.com\/global\/europe\/2018\/11\/01\/nato-general-europe-not-moving-fast-enough-on-military-mobility\/\" target=\"_blank\"><b>talking about military mobility<\/b><\/a><b>. We\u2019ve heard complaints that the effort isn\u2019t moving quickly enough. What\u2019s your take on where it stands?<\/b><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">I think maybe the main development has happened in our brains. I think there is not too much to do in the physical world. I mean, yeah, there are problems that we have too narrow roads or too weak bridges or our railway system has certain limits, but we can do it anyway. The most important [part] is that we understand where we have to put a bit more something, and then how to regulate when we give the order to civil society that says, \u201cDon\u2019t drive here, just a few days when you must hold back your activity,\u201d which is OK.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Huge impact to economy, usually, but that\u2019s, again, the kind of mindset \u2014 that if we need, then we do it. But, again, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.defensenews.com\/global\/europe\/2018\/11\/20\/from-cyber-to-military-mobility-eu-members-endorse-new-defense-objectives\/\" target=_blank>all these PESCO [Permanent Structured Cooperation] studies<\/a> and things \u2014 we have now mapped roads, bridges, railways, seaports, airports, and we understand much better the capacity of this, of this infrastructure, and what we have to build.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">We have also some understanding of how much it costs. But the main developments, again, have happened, I think, in our knowledge, in our understanding. We are changing very slowly &#8230; there are a lot of things to improve. But if you ask: Can we physically do it? Then I say, yes. But are we ready to do it? Are we ready to change our priorities in daily life?<\/p>\n\n\n\t<aside class=\"smg-interstitial-link wp-block-smg-interstitial-link\">\n\t\t<a href=\"https:\/\/one.sightlinemg.com\/defensenews\/outlook\/2019\/12\/02\/estonian-chief-of-defence-forces-regional-cooperation-as-the-main-enabler\/\" class=\"smg-interstitial-link__inner\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"smg-interstitial-link__media\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"300\" height=\"169\" src=\"https:\/\/one.sightlinemg.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/08\/Estonia.jpg.jpg?w=300\" class=\"smg-interstitial-link__image wp-post-image\" alt=\"\" \/>\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"smg-interstitial-link__content\">\n\t\t\t\t<span class=\"smg-interstitial-link__kicker\">Related<\/span>\n\t\t\t\t<h3 class=\"smg-interstitial-link__title\">Estonian chief of Defence Forces: Regional cooperation as the main enabler<\/h3>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p class=\"smg-interstitial-link__excerpt\">It&#039;s time to fully recognize the Baltic region as a single operational area, and to plan accordingly on both a national and multinational way, says Maj. Gen. Martin Herem.<\/p>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/a>\n\t<\/aside>\n\t\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><b>In an essay for Defense News last year, you wrote that nations in the region \u201cmust learn to let go some of the authority over our national military forces or even certain political ambitions. We must overcome our fears to achieve success.\u201d What does that look like in real terms?<\/b><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">It\u2019s very sensitive. Basically, resources are limited in the area. And when we talk about the Baltic region, always, if we will see any kind of aggression from the east, then all three of us will be involved. So I think we can achieve something when we <a href=\"https:\/\/www.defensenews.com\/land\/2019\/07\/15\/do-the-baltics-need-more-us-military-support-to-deter-russia\/\" target=_blank>unite our resources, our forces<\/a>. But if you do so, then we obviously give up in some areas. As an Estonian, I have my interests. I don\u2019t care about Riga, the capital of Latvia; Tallinn is most important. But as a divisional commander, [Riga may be more important strategically]. I think, militarily, that\u2019s a right way to move because that\u2019s how we can defeat the opponent. If we\u2019re trying to save all [domestic interests] in our territory and if we seek for the integrity of our territory, then [there will be no] main effort, we will not take risk, and we will just lose piece by piece.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The point is, there are different nations. They speak different languages. They have a bit different culture. They have different economical, political interests. And that\u2019s something we must get over. I think today, we in the military have the knowledge. But the military solutions or options we present to politicians are already prepared to be acceptable by politicians. They are not the best military solutions. So we must do something else. We must do the right thing. And of course politicians, they have the right to cancel our thing \u2014 that\u2019s a civil control. Then, yes, I will do it a different way as they would like. But at the beginning, I must give them a military solution, not a political solution. And that we can do only when we join our resources, our activities, and we say: \u201cOK, in the Baltic states we want to achieve this, in NATO framework, of course.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">So we must take the first step. We must be very, very decisive when we do this. We can [do] it only when we have a common plan.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1200\" height=\"628\" src=\"\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/08\/AP_18162385832706.jpg.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-4252\" srcset=\"https:\/\/one.sightlinemg.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/08\/AP_18162385832706.jpg.jpg 1200w, https:\/\/one.sightlinemg.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/08\/AP_18162385832706.jpg.jpg?resize=300,157 300w, https:\/\/one.sightlinemg.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/08\/AP_18162385832706.jpg.jpg?resize=768,402 768w, https:\/\/one.sightlinemg.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/08\/AP_18162385832706.jpg.jpg?resize=1024,536 1024w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1200px) 100vw, 1200px\" \/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">NATO soldiers of Lithuania take part in a military exercise &#8216;Saber Strike 2018&#8217; at the Training Range in Pabrade some 60km (38 miles) north of the capital Vilnius, Lithuania, Monday, June 11, 2018. A major U.S.-led military exercise with 18,000 soldiers from 19 primarily NATO countries is taking place in the alliance&#8217;s eastern flank involving Poland and the three Baltic states of Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania. (AP Photo\/Mindaugas Kulbis)<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><b>It\u2019s a big idea, but the political realities of each nation having their own interest would make that incredibly difficult, no?<\/b><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Yeah, but it\u2019s very, very human, you know? It\u2019s like the houses on one street; and then, suddenly, one house owner would say: \u201cYou know, this weekend, all of our street will spend to repair my roof.\u201d We all have something [we need done], but we should do it because maybe tomorrow I need something, and then we will [pitch in for] my house. So it\u2019s a very simplified example, but that\u2019s something we have to do.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Do not just accuse the politicians. It\u2019s society. It\u2019s actually society. How can I explain to my population that the euros we spend for the Navy, at the moment the conflict starts, you will not see? They will say: \u201cAh, general, you may have a very good plan, but my house needs to be protected.\u201d The only way is, again, let\u2019s do the real planning. Let\u2019s do the planning without borders, without limits. Let\u2019s imagine that there is no national interest, that there is a regional interest.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">But it all brings us to the capability development. Just one example: During the last 20 years, we have developed an anti-tank capability. The sad thing is that if we decide to buy something next year, the Latvians need it two years ago. It\u2019s very hard to buy a similar weapon to make it easier for training, ammunition, repairs, whatever. I have experts who will suggest that this company provides the best asset. Latvians have \u201cbetter\u201d experts. And they say, \u201cNo, no, no. This one is cheaper. We can maintain it later, in Latvia,\u201d and so on. So there are completely different interests.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"7152\" height=\"4773\" src=\"\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/08\/6105672.jpg.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-78763\" srcset=\"https:\/\/one.sightlinemg.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/08\/6105672.jpg.jpg 7152w, https:\/\/one.sightlinemg.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/08\/6105672.jpg.jpg?resize=300,200 300w, https:\/\/one.sightlinemg.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/08\/6105672.jpg.jpg?resize=768,513 768w, https:\/\/one.sightlinemg.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/08\/6105672.jpg.jpg?resize=1024,683 1024w, https:\/\/one.sightlinemg.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/08\/6105672.jpg.jpg?resize=1536,1025 1536w, https:\/\/one.sightlinemg.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/08\/6105672.jpg.jpg?resize=2048,1367 2048w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 7152px) 100vw, 7152px\" \/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Multinational Soldiers, assigned to NATO Battle Group Poland, and a Polish Soldier, assigned to the 15th Mechanized Brigade, stand together for a photo during the 15th Mechanized Brigade\u2019s Praetorian Course, a 3 day course that teaches techniques for basic VIP protection, close quarter individual protection, non-tactical movement in an urban area, and individual security planning, in support of NATO&#8217;s enhanced Forward Presence Battle Group Poland in Gizycko, Poland, Feb. 19, 2020. NATO\u2019s enhanced Forward Presence consists of four battalion-sized battle groups deploying on a persistent rotational basis to Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania and Poland to demonstrate the alliance\u2019s determination and ability to act as one in response to any aggression against its members. (U.S. Army photo by Sgt. Timothy Hamlin)<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><b>And also, a <\/b><a href=\"https:\/\/www.defensenews.com\/2019\/10\/02\/latvia-relaunch-ground-vehicle-competition-following-industry-complaints\/\" target=\"_blank\"><b>Latvian company<\/b><\/a><b> might have a piece of another company.<\/b><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Correct. There must be somebody who\u2019ll say: \u201cOK, the economical benefit or whatever is far behind from what we can achieve, if you have the common platform or common weapon. Because then we can buy ammunition later, even if it\u2019s just support from other countries. That makes our military achievement much easier.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">And then how can I explain to my government, my society, that we took this decision to follow Latvians only because they already have this system? It\u2019s very, very difficult. Because Latvians are our friends, but our experts are \u201cdefinitely much better\u201d than them, because they\u2019re Estonians.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Latvia thinks they need better artillery. The Lithuanians think they <a href=\"https:\/\/www.defensenews.com\/global\/europe\/2019\/10\/14\/from-air-policing-to-air-defense-lithuania-urges-new-tack-in-natos-baltic-mission\/\" target=\"_blank\">need better air defense<\/a>. But what if we [collectively] say the main gap in the region is electronic warfare, engineers, whatever \u2014 and then we say: \u201cOK, let\u2019s fill this gap first because it\u2019s most critical and it\u2019s also doable. Because that costs a few hundred million [in funds], and there\u2019s three of us, maybe some other allies \u2014 Poland, for example \u2014 if you put money together, we will achieve the effort.&#8221; Which is a bit wider than just the object within our state borders.<\/p>\n\n\n\t<aside class=\"smg-interstitial-link wp-block-smg-interstitial-link\">\n\t\t<a href=\"https:\/\/one.sightlinemg.com\/defensenews\/global\/europe\/2019\/10\/28\/does-major-joint-military-procurement-really-work-in-the-baltics\/\" class=\"smg-interstitial-link__inner\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"smg-interstitial-link__media\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"300\" height=\"200\" src=\"https:\/\/one.sightlinemg.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/08\/22_industry_baltics.jpg.jpg?w=300\" class=\"smg-interstitial-link__image wp-post-image\" alt=\"\" \/>\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"smg-interstitial-link__content\">\n\t\t\t\t<span class=\"smg-interstitial-link__kicker\">Related<\/span>\n\t\t\t\t<h3 class=\"smg-interstitial-link__title\">Does major joint military procurement really work in the Baltics?<\/h3>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p class=\"smg-interstitial-link__excerpt\">Getting the three Baltic nations to coordinate their defense purchases makes a lot of sense on paper, but there has been limited benefit to doing it so far.<\/p>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/a>\n\t<\/aside>\n\t\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><b>Latvia and Lithuania have been skeptical about joint procurement. So how do you make that happen?<\/b><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">[Right now] the main reason or purpose to do this is to politically show that three Baltic states are doing something together, or to save money. And if we do the common procurement, then, politically, we may have the will, but then we see that economically it doesn\u2019t work. Somewhere in Latvia, Lithuania or Estonia, we\u2019re losing money because the maintenance will happen somewhere else [in another country]. If this is the reason or purpose [of joint procurement], then we will lose always. Forget about the economy. What is most important for us? Integrity, the defense of our state, and so on. If you focus on this, then it\u2019s much easier to decide. So far we haven\u2019t done the regional planning on a tactical level, on a strategical level, on a NATO [level].<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">I don\u2019t think we have done it. We have done it only that we all need tanks. Let\u2019s buy tanks. Whose tank is cheaper? Or whose tank do we like more? The Latvians think this is better. We think this is better. Then we have a lot of discussions. And finally, we don\u2019t [end up doing] anything.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><b>One big cooperative effort underway is a <\/b><a href=\"https:\/\/www.defensenews.com\/training-sim\/2019\/06\/14\/military-exercise-baltops-kicks-off-along-estonias-coast\/\" target=\"_blank\"><b>Baltic sea <\/b><\/a><b>regional force. How is that going?<\/b><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">We know what NATO expects to develop from us. We are writing out the 10-year plan. And actually, Lithuania, Latvia, they do this same thing for [their respective] navy. So we are looking for capability development: What we can do jointly? Are there platforms we all need? Can we procure them together? Or maintain them together? Should they be the same type or similar? Can we later educate our seamen in the same school because the platforms are similar? And then, how are we going to command them? Where are we going to use them?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">So far, [joint procurement], its purpose has been, to be honest, mainly to show that we are cooperating. But do we have a plan covering three Baltic states, and maybe also Poland, or maybe even a bit wider, where we say that that\u2019s what we have to do, and that\u2019s why we develop our capabilities that way? Look at missiles, for example. If you ask today what would you like to do to defend your coastal line, I would say: \u201cLet\u2019s buy some kind of coastal defense missiles with a certain range.\u201d That\u2019s to protect Estonia. If you say, \u201cOK, what can you do in the region,\u201d then I would buy, for the same money, a bit different assets because then I can defend Latvia from Estonian ground. Or to achieve a completely different result, which is achieving the sea denial on the Baltic Sea.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">This is not aggressive. That\u2019s very important. This is not aggressive behavior toward Russia. But what I see today, Russia behaves aggressively. And we are all the time in reactive mode. And we spend most of our money to defend my precious Estonia, not the region. When we cooperate, there is a mainly political or economical purpose, not military. And again we come back to this \u2014 giving up sovereignty. Who is going to command all these warships of these Baltic states, because somebody may decide that all ships must go to, I don\u2019t know, Finnish Gulf, and not in Lithuania, including Lithuania ships. [Lithuanians will ask]: \u201cWhy did I spend money for these ships if they are going to defend northern Estonia?\u201d Because we will achieve the end state \u2014 what we want to achieve \u2014 somewhere else.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Maj. Gen. 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