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Mike Gilday rattled off a list of examples of international navies tactically approaching interchangeability, including:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\"><li>The U.S. took operational control of several international aircraft carriers in U.S. European Command in late 2022.<\/li><li>The U.S. is <a href=\"https:\/\/www.defensenews.com\/opinion\/commentary\/2022\/03\/01\/what-the-west-should-do-now-to-help-ukrainians-on-the-battlefield\/\">sharing intelligence<\/a> related to Ukraine and Russia \u201cin exquisite detail,\u201d without revealing sources and methods.<\/li><li>Allies are already looped in to Project Overmatch and beginning to buy relevant equipment, even ahead of the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.defensenews.com\/outlook\/2022\/12\/05\/project-overmatch-us-navy-preps-to-deploy-secretive-multidomain-tech\/\">U.S. deploying the network on its first carrier strike group this year<\/a>.<\/li><\/ul>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u201cWe are trying to entice our high-end partners to go beyond interoperability into interchangeability,\u201d <a href=\"https:\/\/www.defensenews.com\/naval\/2023\/01\/11\/to-shipbuilders-who-think-they-can-build-more-cno-says-prove-it\/\">Gilday said at the Surface Navy Association\u2019s annual conference<\/a> last week. \u201cIt\u2019s a push to put us in a position where, if we do have to fight tonight, we\u2019re not stumbling.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">But one Australian officer said allies and partners need to go beyond tactical interchangeability; there needs to be more work on the strategic side, and an inclusion of industry.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Commodore Darren Grogan, the naval attache at the Australian Embassy in Washington, said the U.S., Australia and other close Pacific partners already have common aircraft, such as the F-35 fighter, the P-8A Poseidon maritime patrol aircraft and the MH-60R helicopter.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">However, he added, \u201cI still can\u2019t embark these on my ship, I can\u2019t land one of those [MH-60] Romeos on my deck. They\u2019re the challenges we need to overcome.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"7950\" height=\"5300\" src=\"\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/08\/7315630.jpg.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-72612\" srcset=\"https:\/\/one.sightlinemg.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/08\/7315630.jpg.jpg 7950w, https:\/\/one.sightlinemg.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/08\/7315630.jpg.jpg?resize=300,200 300w, https:\/\/one.sightlinemg.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/08\/7315630.jpg.jpg?resize=768,512 768w, https:\/\/one.sightlinemg.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/08\/7315630.jpg.jpg?resize=1024,683 1024w, https:\/\/one.sightlinemg.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/08\/7315630.jpg.jpg?resize=1536,1024 1536w, https:\/\/one.sightlinemg.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/08\/7315630.jpg.jpg?resize=2048,1365 2048w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 7950px) 100vw, 7950px\" \/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">A U.S. sailor displays post-flight signals to an MH-60R helicopter crew during flight operations aboard the U.S. Coast Guard cutter Midgett during the 2022 Rim of the Pacific drills. (Petty Officer 3rd Class Taylor Bacon\/U.S. Coast Guard)<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">During remarks at an international navies panel at the conference, Grogan said that, ideally, if one of his MH-60Rs broke down and the nearest repair facility was an American one, he could bring the broken helo there, fly away with a recently repaired one, have the repair facility work on his aircraft, and then the navies could swap out the airframes at a later time to avoid operational hindrance.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">But today, that would face roadblocks: U.S. Navy personnel and parts are funded to maintain U.S. Navy aircraft, not allied ones. And though the helicopters are the same, each country has different suppliers providing spare parts, and engineers may need to certify the swapping of parts.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Grogan told Defense News that the MH-60R program is one of the most successful partnerships between the U.S. Navy and Royal Australian Navy \u2014 and it\u2019s perhaps the closest they are to interchangeability.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u201cThe more we work together, the closer we\u2019re going to get with that. We still have, obviously, issues with the parts; there\u2019s American parts and Australian parts,\u201d he said.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">During the panel, Grogan noted \u201cthis is a really lofty job\u201d that may not be accomplished during his naval career, but added that leaders must think about these issues now.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">During the 2022 Rim of the Pacific exercise in Hawaii, the two navies took a significant steps toward interoperability and interchangeability when they <a href=\"https:\/\/www.defensenews.com\/naval\/2022\/07\/18\/american-mv-22s-move-to-australian-ship-for-rimpac\/\">embarked a pair of MV-22B Ospreys on the Australian amphibious ship Canberra<\/a> for an at-sea drill.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">American CH-53s, MV-22s and MH-60 helicopters, as well as Japanese MH-60s, also landed and took off from the flight deck at sea to increase interoperability.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Still, this falls short of the call for interchangeability, which might see American MH-60s embark on the Australian ship, while the two countries share maintainers and spare parts.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Col. Henrik Rosen, the naval attache at the Swedish Embassy in Washington, said during the panel discussion that Sweden, Finland and NATO have done much in a controlled environment and exercises to show they can share target tracks and other data to fight together.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">But in reality, he said, they need to build up a common stockpile of weapons. One nation\u2019s missiles must fit in another\u2019s missile tubes to create deeper magazines, more robust supply chains and a better competitive edge over adversaries. Rosen said it would take a while to make this a reality, and so nations need to start work now.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u201cWe can\u2019t become interchangeable without industry; we need to bring industry along,\u201d Grogen added during the panel discussion.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The head of the U.S. Navy surface force, Vice Adm. 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He\u2019s also eyeing an increase in ship repairs at foreign yards, and conducting repairs on foreign ships in American facilities.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">In the meantime, Rosen and Grogen each pointed to policies and practices that can bolster trust among allies and partners in the short term, even as the technical interchangeability and industry pieces are addressed over the longer term.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Rosen pointed to the 2019 BALTOPS exercise in the Baltic Sea, where Sweden embedded one of its intelligence officers with NATO staff on the U.S. Navy command ship Mount Whitney. 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