{"id":12061,"date":"2021-03-22T20:18:27","date_gmt":"2021-03-22T20:18:27","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/one.sightlinemg.com\/navytimes\/uncategorized\/2021\/03\/22\/some-troops-disappointed-by-check-the-block-extremism-stand-downs-others-laud-commanders\/"},"modified":"2026-08-08T05:28:04","modified_gmt":"2026-08-08T05:28:04","slug":"some-troops-disappointed-by-check-the-block-extremism-stand-downs-others-laud-commanders","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/one.sightlinemg.com\/navytimes\/news\/pentagon-congress\/2021\/03\/22\/some-troops-disappointed-by-check-the-block-extremism-stand-downs-others-laud-commanders\/","title":{"rendered":"Some troops disappointed by check-the-block extremism stand-downs, others laud commanders"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Every unit in the military has until April 1 to <a href=\"https:\/\/www.cnbc.com\/2021\/02\/04\/extremism-in-the-military-an-issue-for-quite-some-time-says-expert.html\" target=_blank>sit down with its troops<\/a> and talk about what<a href=\"https:\/\/www.militarytimes.com\/news\/pentagon-congress\/2020\/02\/06\/signs-of-white-supremacy-extremism-up-again-in-poll-of-active-duty-troops\/\" target=_blank> extremism<\/a> is and why it\u2019s incompatible with military service, but that training has proven to look very different across formations.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Some troops who responded to a <a href=\"https:\/\/www.militarytimes.com\/news\/your-military\/2021\/03\/15\/tell-us-how-did-your-extremism-stand-down-go\/\" target=_blank>Military Times call-out<\/a> said their trainers made comments undermining the stand-down during the discussions, while others were disheartened by how short and non-interactive their stand-downs were. Others, though, said their commands went above and beyond, and they appreciated the effort.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u201cThe stand-down script seemed forced and leadership at times would make it a verbal point that \u2018we have to do this,\u2019 obviously not authentically interested in leading the discussions or covering the required topics,\u201d a Naval Air Station Jacksonville, Florida, lieutenant told Military Times. \u201cThey also seemed reluctant to have in-depth discussions, brushing off questions, or just moving the conversation to the next topic. It was very surface-level, without significant substance.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.militarytimes.com\/news\/your-military\/2021\/03\/02\/how-to-hold-an-extremism-stand-down\/\" target=_blank>Defense Department guidance for this one-day stand-down<\/a> includes a few discussion points and a requirement to report its completion. Officials have said it\u2019s open-ended to allow commanders to tailor it to their troops, but according to some, that has looked more like the bare minimum.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Part of this was by design: Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin put out some rough guidance that included the oath of office\/enlistment, case studies of extremism and some discussion questions and answers.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The idea was for commanders to take the lead on how it would be implemented, with the ability to add to it, make it remote or otherwise adjust it according to each unit\u2019s priorities.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u201cFor us here at the Pentagon, we\u2019re far detached from that,\u201d Senior Enlisted Advisor to the Chairman Ramon Colon-Lopez. \u201cSo we have to be able to trust those commanders in the field to be able to fix the behavior.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">At Seymour Johnson Air Force Base, North Carolina, according to an enlisted airman, the one-day training was cut down to 30 minutes because leadership deemed it too time-consuming.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u201cTypically I don\u2019t really complain but this seems to be the attitude towards every non-mission training,\u201d he told Military Times, adding that a recent suicide training was also cut down to five minutes after an accompanying video failed to work.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u201cForced\u201d was a common sentiment among troops who responded to Military Times\u2019 call-out.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u201cThere were many discussion questions but none were put to the group for discussion,\u201d a Virginia Beach, Virginia, petty officer 1st class said. \u201cHe gave the question, read the answer and clicked through.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Some people just looked at their phones during the training, she said, with about 30 military members and civilians present. The senior enlisted leader who led the training seemed to believe that he was not able to expand upon the Pentagon\u2019s basic guidance.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u201cIt was very detached training and it was stated many times where the chief said, \u2018I didn\u2019t make this, we were mandated to give this training exactly like this,\u2019 or, \u2018This isn\u2019t my opinion, it\u2019s what is in the PowerPoint, so these are the rules,\u2019 \u201cshe said. \u201cAt the section where it listed possible punishments for military members, he even said, \u2018I\u2019ve never even seen anyone actually charged with this.\u2019 &#8220;<\/p>\n\n\n\t<aside class=\"smg-interstitial-link wp-block-smg-interstitial-link\">\n\t\t<a href=\"https:\/\/one.sightlinemg.com\/militarytimes\/news\/your-military\/2019\/10\/11\/cid-investigating-whether-army-infantry-officer-called-for-mass-murder-and-destruction-amid-racist-anti-government-reddit-screeds\/\" class=\"smg-interstitial-link__inner\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"smg-interstitial-link__media\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"300\" height=\"168\" src=\"https:\/\/one.sightlinemg.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/08\/Army-subreddit-2.png.png?w=300\" class=\"smg-interstitial-link__image wp-post-image\" alt=\"\" \/>\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"smg-interstitial-link__content\">\n\t\t\t\t<span class=\"smg-interstitial-link__kicker\">Related<\/span>\n\t\t\t\t<h3 class=\"smg-interstitial-link__title\">CID investigating whether Army infantry officer called for mass murder and destruction amid racist, anti-government Reddit screeds<\/h3>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p class=\"smg-interstitial-link__excerpt\">Reserve Army Maj. William Jeffrey Poole is under investigation for far-right extremist activity online.<\/p>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/a>\n\t<\/aside>\n\t\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u201cThe leadership sets the tone for the workplace,\u201d she added. \u201cIt was clear that this leader wouldn\u2019t punish anyone for these offenses, which lets sailors know they don\u2019t have to change their words or actions.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Multiple respondents said that their trainers approached the stand-down as an inflexible set of blocks they had to check, which isn\u2019t how DoD guidance described the training.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/s3.amazonaws.com\/static.militarytimes.com\/assets\/pdfs\/1616433520.pdf\" target=_blank>A set of Navy stand-down slides<\/a>, provided to Military Times by a reserve unit\u2019s training officer, includes mechanisms for reporting extremist behavior, as well as a slide solely devoted to prohibited social media behavior.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">And notably, there are slides with detailed scenarios: Whether it\u2019s all right to talk about the Black Lives Matter movement, OK to display a Confederate flag in one\u2019s apartment or make threatening comments toward lawmakers online.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">At the Washington Navy Yard, according to a civilian who reached out to Military Times, his department\u2019s discussion felt \u201crudderless.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u201cOne of the older guys was sidetracked and kept saying stuff like, \u2018What about the First Amendment?\u2019 and, \u201cI miss the days you could just talk to people,\u2019 &#8221; he wrote.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The divide seemed generational, and definitely racial, he added, on how the training was received.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u201cUltimately most of us chose not to say too much in the meeting, past the guy asking if attending a MAGA rally or liking MAGA stuff on social media would be flagged behavior, which we all concluded would not be flagged,\u201d he said.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">His story touches on some feedback the military\u2019s senior-most leaders are grappling with. Anecdotally, Colon-Lopez said, there is a lot of \u201cwhat about&#8230;?\u201d that comes up when examples of right-wing ideology are called out as extreme.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Particularly, he said, when it comes to the National Guard deployments to secure the Capitol after the Jan. 6 insurrection, troops have asked their leadership why the Guard is needed there, but not to respond to <a href=\"https:\/\/komonews.com\/news\/local\/why-arent-we-coming-together-seattle-still-reeling-from-year-of-violent-protests\" target=_blank>protests and rioting in Seattle<\/a>, for example.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Technically, activating troops in Seattle would be the Washington governor\u2019s decision, while in the District of Columbia, it\u2019s a DoD decision made at the behest of one of several jurisdictions within D.C. In the Capitol\u2019s case, it\u2019s the resident police force who asked for Guard presence.<\/p>\n\n\n\t<aside class=\"smg-interstitial-link wp-block-smg-interstitial-link\">\n\t\t<a href=\"https:\/\/one.sightlinemg.com\/militarytimes\/news\/your-military\/2021\/03\/09\/pentagon-set-to-ok-extending-national-guard-deployment-at-us-capitol\/\" class=\"smg-interstitial-link__inner\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"smg-interstitial-link__media\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"300\" height=\"200\" src=\"https:\/\/one.sightlinemg.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/08\/AP21067548215868.jpg.jpg?w=300\" class=\"smg-interstitial-link__image wp-post-image\" alt=\"\" \/>\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"smg-interstitial-link__content\">\n\t\t\t\t<span class=\"smg-interstitial-link__kicker\">Related<\/span>\n\t\t\t\t<h3 class=\"smg-interstitial-link__title\">Austin approves request to extend National Guard deployment at US Capitol<\/h3>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p class=\"smg-interstitial-link__excerpt\">Nearly 2,300 National Guard troops have been approved to continue supporting U.S. Capitol Police through May 21.<\/p>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/a>\n\t<\/aside>\n\t\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Still, the distinction between attacking a closed government building during a congressional proceeding and protests against police killings of unarmed Black people, which have devolved into looting and violence in some cities, is not clear for everyone, Colon-Lopez said.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u201cWe cannot confuse a First Amendment grievance because of social injustice \u2026 and some of the criminals that latched on to go ahead and loot, destroy and commit other crimes, all right?\u201d he said.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><b>Some positive reviews<\/b><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Not all of the stories were negative, though. A drill sergeant candidate at Fort Jackson, South Carolina, told Military Times his stand-down was \u201csome of the best in-person training I\u2019ve ever had.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u201cIt was nice to have an actual class that was properly facilitated, rather than the usual, \u2018Read the slide and let\u2019s just get this over with,\u2019 &#8221; he said.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Specifically, his platoon, made up of soldiers who enlisted between 2001 and 2016, took a look at their own service and pointed out the changes in attitudes and perceptions they had seen over that period.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u201cWe brought up different reasons why and how extremism made it into our ranks and &#8230; that whatever we encountered could essentially ruin the Army in the long run,\u201d he said.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">For drill sergeants the issue is particularly poignant, because they are charged with bringing up the next generation of soldiers, teaching them what service is and isn\u2019t about.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u201cWith most of us going to [basic combat training] after we graduate the academy, we looked at the different warning signs and how we can use those to see what trainees would stick out for this type of behavior,\u201d he said.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Others had a more mixed bag of reactions. A Navy intelligence specialist 2nd class at Royal Air Force Molesworth, U.K., told Military Times that his unit\u2019s leaders were \u201cknowledgeable and passionate,\u201d setting up the stand-down as an open, no-rank discussion that they took seriously.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The IS2 added, however, that he felt there was too much black-and-white in the examples given, which included some case studies from Austin\u2019s guidance.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u201cI was hoping for more actionable training on combating the low-level type stuff that shapes the culture \u2015 not just being able to recognize a military member attempting to commit a full on terrorist attack,\u201d he said.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">His comments touch on a broader issue that the military will have to confront as it runs down the problem of extremist ideology.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">There are stark parallels to the sexual assault prevention and response effort, which began in earnest roughly a decade ago. At the time, training materials were very focused on what not to do. \u201cDon\u2019t rape,\u201d is the message a lot of troops received.<\/p>\n\n\n\t<aside class=\"smg-interstitial-link wp-block-smg-interstitial-link\">\n\t\t<a href=\"https:\/\/one.sightlinemg.com\/militarytimes\/news\/your-military\/2020\/04\/30\/a-culture-that-fosters-sexual-assaults-and-sexual-harassment-persists-despite-prevention-efforts-a-new-pentagon-study-shows\/\" class=\"smg-interstitial-link__inner\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"smg-interstitial-link__media\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"300\" height=\"239\" src=\"https:\/\/one.sightlinemg.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/08\/635980588000803409-26716555545-89763969ca-ojpg.jpg?w=300\" class=\"smg-interstitial-link__image wp-post-image\" alt=\"\" \/>\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"smg-interstitial-link__content\">\n\t\t\t\t<span class=\"smg-interstitial-link__kicker\">Related<\/span>\n\t\t\t\t<h3 class=\"smg-interstitial-link__title\">A culture that fosters sexual assaults and sexual harassment persists despite prevention efforts, a new Pentagon study shows<\/h3>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p class=\"smg-interstitial-link__excerpt\">The new 2019 Sexual Assault Prevention and Response Report includes harrowing feedback from troops.<\/p>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/a>\n\t<\/aside>\n\t\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">But in the intervening years, study upon study found that other indicators, like sexual harassment and toxic command climate, were directly tied with the likelihood that a sexual assault would occur within a command.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Much of that research became what is now bystander intervention training, which encourages troops to speak up when they see anything questionable, whether it\u2019s sexual harassment or substance abuse. That can also be translated to troops who make racially charged comments or casually rant about a particular political party.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u201cI\u2019ll be the first to tell them: \u2018Hey, don\u2019t forget: we are apolitical,\u2019\u201d Colon-Lopez. \u201cNot the time, not the place.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Comments that target particular groups can also have consequences.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u201cIf someone is talking about demeaning a woman or a man, or talking about the things they would like to do to them \u2014 don\u2019t forget, we have articles to go ahead and punish you under that,\u201d he added.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">But that kind of action requires someone to report it and a commander who takes it seriously enough to write it up, which is not guaranteed.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u201cMy own words: \u2018That is not how we treat our brothers and sisters. That is not how family speaks to each other,\u2019\u201d he offered, as a quick, basic response to make it clear that demeaning language, racist or not, isn\u2019t tolerated.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u201cAn intervention doesn\u2019t mean to castigate someone because they\u2019re talking about something,\u201d he added. \u201cIt\u2019s helping them understand that, hey, that is not compatible with military life, and you need to correct yourself.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><b>Going forward<\/b><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Almost as soon as the stand-down was announced, Pentagon leaders were defending it with the understanding that it was not meant to be a cure-all for domestic extremism in the services.<\/p>\n\n\n\t<aside class=\"smg-interstitial-link wp-block-smg-interstitial-link\">\n\t\t<a href=\"https:\/\/one.sightlinemg.com\/militarytimes\/news\/your-military\/2021\/02\/09\/secdef-stand-down-on-extremism-not-meant-to-be-panacea-says-pentagon-spokesman\/\" class=\"smg-interstitial-link__inner\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"smg-interstitial-link__media\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"300\" height=\"200\" src=\"https:\/\/one.sightlinemg.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/08\/Retired-Gen.-Lloyd-Austin.jpg.jpg?w=300\" class=\"smg-interstitial-link__image wp-post-image\" alt=\"\" \/>\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"smg-interstitial-link__content\">\n\t\t\t\t<span class=\"smg-interstitial-link__kicker\">Related<\/span>\n\t\t\t\t<h3 class=\"smg-interstitial-link__title\">SECDEF stand down on extremism not meant to be panacea, says Pentagon spokesman<\/h3>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p class=\"smg-interstitial-link__excerpt\">DoD creates commission and orders stand down.<\/p>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/a>\n\t<\/aside>\n\t\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Though there are no requirements for feedback to be reported up the chain of command, Colon-Lopez said, he has seen some suggestions and lessons learned.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u201cSo I suspect that based on the knowledge that the units are going to bring forward, there will be a group created to be able to deal with the issue of extremism,\u201d he said, not dissimilar to the diversity-and-inclusion task forces stood up by DoD and the services in the wake of Black Lives Matter protests last summer.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Colon-Lopez said there will be a review period after the stand-downs are complete, but did not have a timeline for next steps.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">He also expects reports of extremism to go up, now that troops have a better idea of what to look for, though he did not offer specific examples.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u201cThere hasn\u2019t been data pushed out on an increase in reporting, but naturally, that\u2019s what happens,\u201d he said.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Still, the question remains how DoD proposes to not only gets it arms around whatever level of extremism problem it has \u2015 Austin has said it\u2019s likely more than leaders think but less than \u201cthe media\u201d portrays it \u2015 and to track its progress in squashing it.<\/p>\n\n\n\t<aside class=\"smg-interstitial-link wp-block-smg-interstitial-link\">\n\t\t<a href=\"https:\/\/one.sightlinemg.com\/militarytimes\/news\/your-military\/2021\/02\/21\/extremism-in-the-ranks-is-a-threat-but-the-pentagons-not-sure-how-to-address-it\/\" class=\"smg-interstitial-link__inner\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"smg-interstitial-link__media\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"300\" height=\"200\" src=\"https:\/\/one.sightlinemg.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/08\/maga_hat_olympia.jpg.jpg?w=300\" class=\"smg-interstitial-link__image wp-post-image\" alt=\"\" \/>\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"smg-interstitial-link__content\">\n\t\t\t\t<span class=\"smg-interstitial-link__kicker\">Related<\/span>\n\t\t\t\t<h3 class=\"smg-interstitial-link__title\">Extremism in the ranks is a \u2018threat,\u2019 but the Pentagon\u2019s not sure how to address it<\/h3>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p class=\"smg-interstitial-link__excerpt\">The Pentagon is signaling a crackdown on extremists in the ranks. But it won&#039;t be easy.<\/p>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/a>\n\t<\/aside>\n\t\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Leaders have said repeatedly that they haven\u2019t compiled data on investigations into extremist behavior or activity, nor do they have readily available numbers on how many recruits are denied contracts each year based on extremist ideology found during background checks, or how many are involuntarily separated every year because of extremist behavior.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u201cWhat we\u2019re getting at right now, because we see that we need to collaborate a lot more \u2026 we need to have a common understanding, and that is the direction that the military needs to go,\u201d Colon-Lopez said.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<iframe loading=\"lazy\" width=\"560\" height=\"315\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/Om10BNTZKrM?feature=oembed\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture\" allowfullscreen title=\"Adm. 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