{"id":14834,"date":"2015-12-03T23:25:59","date_gmt":"2015-12-03T23:25:59","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/one.sightlinemg.com\/navytimes\/uncategorized\/2015\/12\/03\/pentagon-oks-plan-allowing-women-to-join-navy-seals\/"},"modified":"2026-08-08T19:08:33","modified_gmt":"2026-08-08T19:08:33","slug":"pentagon-oks-plan-allowing-women-to-join-navy-seals","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/one.sightlinemg.com\/navytimes\/news\/your-navy\/2015\/12\/03\/pentagon-oks-plan-allowing-women-to-join-navy-seals\/","title":{"rendered":"Pentagon OKs plan allowing women to join Navy SEALs"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p>Defense Secretary Ash Carter&#8217;s <span class=\"rte rte-comment\">The Pentagon chief&#8217;s <\/span>order Wednesday\u00a0<span class=\"rte rte-comment\"> allowing women to serve in all corners of the military, bust down the final barriers to\u00a0Defense Secretary Ash Carter\u00a0announced his decision to open all corners of the military to women on Wednesday, <\/span>busts\u00a0down the final barriers to women <span class=\"rte rte-comment\">being allowed to <\/span>serving\u00a0in the Navy&#8217;s\u00a0elite special operators.\u00a0<span class=\"rte rte-comment\">ng down the final gender barriers built into service.<\/span><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The order to integrate the Navy SEALs, the service&#8217;s last male-only force, was OK&#8217;d by the top SEAL but has been controversial among many <span class=\"rte rte-comment\">for\u00a0For the Navy, this means opening up the illustrious SEAL teams and the rest of Naval Special Warfare, a move supported on the record by the service&#8217;s top SEAL but questioned by <\/span>recent and older veterans<span class=\"rte rte-comment\"> alike<\/span>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Don&#8217;t expect GI Janes right away. The Pentagon&#8217;s move sets the SEALs on a track that will likely take months or years before a woman is able to earn her Trident.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The first step is notification: The Defense Department will submit a letter to Congress with their intent to open the special warfare ranks, <span class=\"rte rte-comment\">community, <\/span>and lawmakers will have 30 working days to raise any objections.\u00a0This could take months, as the working days are counted when Congress is in session.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Next, Naval Special Warfare will need to adopt gender-neutral physical standards and adjust its training regimen accordingly before a woman is even able to enter Basic Underwater Demolition\/SEAL training, widely regarded as the military&#8217;s most hellacious school. Eight out of 10 wash out.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">No moves will be made until the notification period has passed, a Naval Special Warfare spokesman told Navy Times.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">&#8220;NSW will be able to discuss our\u00a0implementation specifics and timelines at a later date,&#8221; said Cmdr. Jason Salata. &#8220;It would be premature to speculate as to when the first women would be\u00a0available for SEAL or [Special Warfare Combat Crew]\u00a0SWCC training.&#8221;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The Pentagon&#8217;s order comes after Rear Adm. Brian Losey, the head of Naval Special Warfare Command, led a comprehensive review and proposed integrating the SEALs, a recommendation backed by Chief of Naval Operations Adm. Jon Greenert that was first reported by Navy Times in August.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<style>.oembed-asset-link { background: #fff; border-bottom: 1px solid #e1e1e1; }.oembed-link-anchor { display: block; clear: both; }.oembed-link-thumbnail{ float: left; padding: 14px; }.oembed-link-thumbnail img { max-width: 78px; max-height: 60px; display: block; }p.oembed-link-title { font-size: 75%; color: #009BFF; margin: 0 14px; padding-top: 12px; font-weight:normal; text-align: left; line-height: 120%;  }p.oembed-link-desc { font-size: 100%; color: #666; font-weight: normal; margin: 0 14px 14px 14px; font-family: 'Futura Today Light'; text-align: left; line-height: 120%; }<\/style>\n\n\n\n\n\n<p><span class=\"rte rte-comment\">The Pentagon&#8217;s order expands the <\/span>The new rules will expand the\u00a0eligible pool to any American who can meet the arduous standards to be a Navy SEAL\u00a0\u2014 standards that officials have insisted will not be lowered. The move is a milestone\u00a0<span class=\"rte rte-comment\">achievement <\/span>for\u00a0Navy Secretary Ray Mabus, who has pushed throughout his 6-year tenure to open all Navy and Marine billets to women.\u00a0Beyond special operations, the decision also allows women attached to Marine units to serve at any level.\u00a0<span class=\"rte rte-comment\">has indicated throughout his tenure that he intended to make both the Navy and Marine Corps open to women, and this fall, former Chief of Naval Operations Adm. Jon Greenert announced his support.<\/span><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">&#8220;Our process and studies showed that as long as someone can meet operationally relevant, occupation-specific, gender-neutral individual standards, that person is qualified to serve,&#8221; Mabus said in a Thursday release. &#8220;Gender does not define the service of a United States sailor or Marine \u2014 instead, it is their character, selflessness, and abilities.&#8221;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">But it will undoubtedly change the bonds and rough-and-tumble rituals of the SEALs. Some worry that it will erode\u00a0the extraordinary ties that have made SEALs the world&#8217;s most feared and lethal warriors.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<style>.oembed-asset-link { background: #fff; border-bottom: 1px solid #e1e1e1; }.oembed-link-anchor { display: block; clear: both; }.oembed-link-thumbnail{ float: left; padding: 14px; }.oembed-link-thumbnail img { max-width: 78px; max-height: 60px; display: block; }p.oembed-link-title { font-size: 75%; color: #009BFF; margin: 0 14px; padding-top: 12px; font-weight:normal; text-align: left; line-height: 120%;  }p.oembed-link-desc { font-size: 100%; color: #666; font-weight: normal; margin: 0 14px 14px 14px; font-family: 'Futura Today Light'; text-align: left; line-height: 120%; }<\/style>\n\n\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">&#8220;Changing the direction of the SEAL teams by introducing females to the training process changes the chemistry, and then shows that what you have is no longer the SEAL teams as we know\u00a0it,&#8221; said Special Warfare Operator 1st Class (SEAL) Kevin Lacz.\u00a0&#8220;It&#8217;s something completely different.&#8221;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">&#8220;People who are in positions of authority, who could protest this, are more interested in making rank, and their career, than actually questioning history and the effectiveness of SEAL teams,&#8221; said former Special Warfare Operator 1st Class (SEAL) Kevin Lacz.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Lacz, a SEAL Team 3 veteran with multiple deployments to Iraq, <span class=\"rte rte-comment\">and who played himself in last year&#8217;s &#8220;American Sniper,&#8221; <\/span>said <span class=\"rte rte-comment\">that <\/span>it&#8217;s likely a woman will be able to get through training, but that just letting them into the 6-month BUD\/S<span class=\"rte rte-comment\">Basic Underwater Demolition\/SEAL<\/span> course will alter the meaning of the organization.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The Defense Department&#8217;s decision to open the SEALs and the rest of the military&#8217;s still-closed combat specialties is several years in the making,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<style>.oembed-asset-link { background: #fff; border-bottom: 1px solid #e1e1e1; }.oembed-link-anchor { display: block; clear: both; }.oembed-link-thumbnail{ float: left; padding: 14px; }.oembed-link-thumbnail img { max-width: 78px; max-height: 60px; 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it will not take hours,\u00a0days or weeks, but months and potentially years,&#8221; Salata said.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Salata could not elaborate on a timeline for when a woman might check-in at BUD\/S, but Lacz offered some them some advice.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">&#8220;Same as I would say to anyone: Don&#8217;t quit.&#8221;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>&#8216;SEAL teams light&#8217;<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The number one concern <span class=\"rte rte-comment\">voiced <\/span>among <span class=\"rte rte-comment\">both <\/span>active-duty and veteran troops throughout the Pentagon&#8217;s last push to open combat jobs to women has been that the standards must not be <span class=\"rte rte-comment\">aren&#8217;t <\/span>sacrificed in the process.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Leaders have reiterated <span class=\"rte rte-comment\">throughout the years<\/span>that they will not weaken the rules, but some are concerned that&#8217;s just a line.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">&#8220;There will be a change to the standards,&#8221; Lacz said.\u00a0&#8220;There already is, by allowing women to go and train.&#8221;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">In his remarks Thursday, Carter explained that the services have taken a look at which parts of their combat fitness standards are related to combat situations and plan to eliminate the ones that aren&#8217;t.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<style>.oembed-asset-link { background: #fff; border-bottom: 1px solid #e1e1e1; }.oembed-link-anchor { display: block; clear: both; }.oembed-link-thumbnail{ float: left; padding: 14px; }.oembed-link-thumbnail img { max-width: 78px; max-height: 60px; display: block; }p.oembed-link-title { font-size: 75%; color: #009BFF; margin: 0 14px; padding-top: 12px; font-weight:normal; text-align: left; line-height: 120%;  }p.oembed-link-desc { font-size: 100%; color: #666; font-weight: normal; margin: 0 14px 14px 14px; font-family: 'Futura Today Light'; text-align: left; line-height: 120%; }<\/style>\n\n\n\n\n\n<p>Those updates have yet to be announced, but Lacz pointed out that <span class=\"rte rte-comment\">that <\/span>more than push-up maxes and sand runs go into determining whether some is a fit for the SEALs.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>&#8220;In these units, in the military, there are non-politically correct methods of determining if\u00a0<span class=\"rte rte-comment\">of <\/span>somebody\u2019s going to be there or not,&#8221; 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